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I'm unaware of truly communist countries. I'm aware of totalitarian regimes, however, and both, using right wing and left wing ideologies.
I'm only aware of totalitarian regimes that use left wing ideologies such as Nazism or Marxism.
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So, if Nazis were left wingers, why did they see communists, liberals, progressives and gays as enemies? Why did they oppose public education?
The Hitler Youth had to pay for their education? Wasn't the State subsidizing this?
Communists oppose quality public education also, except for friends and family of comrade commissars.
As for communists being the enemy, seemed Hitler like Stalin just fine for a while. Communists were his pet scapegoat. Gotta blame someone for your country's ills. Why not J00s and commies? Just sweep the term "National Socialism" and implementation of a top-heavy planned economy under the carpet, though. It can be placed near the same bulging area as revocation of gun rights and universal healthcare. But, wink wink, we can always say they were "right winged" LOL.
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You can't have it both ways. Oh yeah, don't forget about "Christian morals" either. Gott Mitt Uns...
Not trying to have it both ways, IMO. I fail to see any Christian morals implemented in Nazi Germany or fascist Italy.
Never before was there a nation where the people ruled. People can't rule themselves, it will be mayhem and chaos, the ruling elites expressed.
Rising to the most powerful nation ever seen on Earth, the people could do it better than any ruler.
Now, in the last 50 years, the acceleration to a government control over the people have brought us as a nation down. The Great Experiment work, but some want the power.
I'm only aware of totalitarian regimes that use left wing ideologies such as Nazism or Marxism.
I can see that and having seen your posts for a while, it is now expected of you.
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The Hitler Youth had to pay for their education? Wasn't the State subsidizing this?
Hitler was opposed to universal anything, including education. The services were reserved for select few, not everybody. He was a bit more extreme in that regard than the fascist down south (Mussolini).
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Communists oppose quality public education also, except for friends and family of comrade commissars.
I am assuming that your deliberate use of "quality" has some use in your argument. Or did you imply that communists are opposed to public education, or public anything?
I have a colleague from a state in India, that voted for communist government into power. It is one of two states in India (the other being Bengal) where communism is at least fairly strong. It was also the state to reach 100% literacy rate in India. And yes, in republic of India, communist party can get to power via the will of the people.
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As for communists being the enemy, seemed Hitler like Stalin just fine for a while. Communists were his pet scapegoat...
Anybody can get along for a while. Even the moderate and left wingers did with Hindenberg against Hitler. Stalin and the US also got along for a bit, at least for as long as it took to defeat Hitler.
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Just sweep the term "National Socialism" and implementation of a top-heavy planned economy under the carpet, though.
I have also seen your love for words more than for action. It isn't about what Nazis practiced and what they preached, but about this vague idea of "national socialism" that was all about being anti-social. Because its all in the name, right? I guess it takes a socialist to want to destroy trade unions?
And the fact that you're making futile attempt to tie communism to Nazis, when of course Nazis preached that Jews were commies. Its amusing.
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It can be placed near the same bulging area as revocation of gun rights and universal healthcare. But, wink wink, we can always say they were "right winged" LOL.
Associations can be equally amusing. Right wingers love gun. Criminals love guns. Criminals are right wingers. How's that?
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Not trying to have it both ways, IMO. I fail to see any Christian morals implemented in Nazi Germany or fascist Italy.
I can see that and having seen your posts for a while, it is now expected of you.
Just as expected as calling a gun grabbing leftist government like Nazism as "right winged" LOL.
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Hitler was opposed to universal anything, including education. The services were reserved for select few, not everybody. He was a bit more extreme in that regard than the fascist down south (Mussolini).
Just like Marxism.
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I am assuming that your deliberate use of "quality" has some use in your argument. Or did you imply that communists are opposed to public education, or public anything?
Communists, the ones who actually seize power, are opposed to anything public in general. The leftists who dream of utopia are liquidated quickly after the revolution by the more pragmatic Marxists.
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I have a colleague from a state in India, that voted for communist government into power. It is one of two states in India (the other being Bengal) where communism is at least fairly strong. It was also the state to reach 100% literacy rate in India. And yes, in republic of India, communist party can get to power via the will of the people.
Communism sometimes works well in provincial governments. It also doesn't hurt that everyone looks and acts alike, sort of like how socialism succeeds in Whiteyville countries in Northern Europe.
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Anybody can get along for a while. Even the moderate and left wingers did with Hindenberg against Hitler. Stalin and the US also got along for a bit, at least for as long as it took to defeat Hitler.
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I have also seen your love for words more than for action. It isn't about what Nazis practiced and what they preached, but about this vague idea of "national socialism" that was all about being anti-social. Because its all in the name, right? I guess it takes a socialist to want to destroy trade unions?
Unions are a blight to any dictatorship, regardless of how loonies like to pigeonhole them (left-wing vs. right-wing). I'm sure if the Nazis wouldn't want to have been called socialists, they would have dropped the extended title of their party, rather than allowing the moniker to live on.
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And the fact that you're making futile attempt to tie communism to Nazis, when of course Nazis preached that Jews were commies. Its amusing.
I'm not trying to tie communism to Nazism. I'm simply saying both are left winged. The nuances of their left winged dictatorship are inconsequential. The common tie is top-heavy government controlled economy and bureaucracy.
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Associations can be equally amusing. Right wingers love gun. Criminals love guns. Criminals are right wingers. How's that?
Governments who take away guns are left winged, period.
What a crock of BS you are trying to push here. No more state is Anarchy, not Communism. You really need to go educate yourself.
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If there is no more state in communism, who enforces the redistribution? The reason why leftist governments like communism and fascism cannot exist is because it requires an iron fist to implement Marx's or Hitler's socialist strategy.
If there is no more state in communism, who enforces the redistribution? The reason why leftist governments like communism and fascism cannot exist is because it requires an iron fist to implement Marx's or Hitler's socialist strategy.
I don't you understand fascism either. I would like to get an idea of your knowledge.
And, while at it, could you provide an example each of a country that has employed Marxism? Likewise, one that has employed Capitalism? And one that has had truly Free Market?
Hint: USSR wasn't about communism. The closest thing to communism would be the initial days of the Pilgrims in this country.
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Communists, the ones who actually seize power, are opposed to anything public in general
Conservatives are ALWAYS opposed to anything public. They are communists?
What a crock of BS you are trying to push here. No more state is Anarchy, not Communism. You really need to go educate yourself.
You really do not undertand communism in it true form do ya, read more on the idea and not the failed attempts. It has never been accomplished, human nature is what dooms the idea, there is ALWAYS someone that does not want to part of the community or share and there are always those that want to control everyone else.
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If there is no more state in communism, who enforces the redistribution? The reason why leftist governments like communism and fascism cannot exist is because it requires an iron fist to implement Marx's or Hitler's socialist strategy.
Try a history book, Fascism is far right on the political scale.
I'd urge most CD PnCers to go when the van stops in their city, since most CD PnCers are absolutely ignorant as to what communism is.t
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If there is no more state in communism, who enforces the redistribution? The reason why leftist governments like communism and fascism cannot exist is because it requires an iron fist to implement Marx's or Hitler's socialist strategy.
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It can be placed near the same bulging area as revocation of gun rights and universal healthcare. But, wink wink, we can always say they were "right winged" LOL.
