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Old 01-25-2011, 10:57 PM
 
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I don't believe that all people who commit suicide have a mental illness at all.
Some, probably; but certainly not all.

It's easy to see why people generalize, but it's not a sound generalization.
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Old 01-25-2011, 10:59 PM
 
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I don't believe that all people who commit suicide have a mental illness at all.
Some, probably; but certainly not all.

It's easy to see why people generalize, but it's not a sound generalization.
Ok, you don't have to believe that. I've worked with NAMI and what they know would indicate otherwise.

ETA: Just a couple stats...do you know that those with panic disorder have a 20% likelihood of suicide, same as bipolar? Do you know that dual diagnosis is at 25%? Do you realize that having a mental illness increases suicides by X folds more than in the general population?

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Old 01-25-2011, 11:01 PM
 
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Shouldn't those who want to kill themselves be allowed to?

It is their body afterall.

Why they do it is not my concern,if they want to do it go right ahead.
Well, in the case of terminal illness I completely agree. In the case of mental illness, which can be treated, I do not. In fact, there is a Network out there (started off as the Hemlock society) which advocates dignity with death and two states now do this in the case of terminal illness.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:04 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Well, in the case of terminal illness I completely agree. In the case of mental illness, which can be treated, I do not. In fact, there is a Network out there (started off as the Hemlock society) which advocates dignity with death and two states now do this is the case of terminal illness).
I thought mental illnesses shouldn't be treated differently from physical illnesses?

Why the double standard?
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:08 PM
 
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I thought mental illnesses shouldn't be treated differently from physical illnesses?

Why the double standard?
There is no double standard, although there is a stigma with mental illness. Clearly, the treatments are quite different.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:09 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Then those with mental illnesses can kill themselves at will....it is their right.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:10 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I thought mental illnesses shouldn't be treated differently from physical illnesses?

Why the double standard?
The post didn't say they should be treated the same, it said they are both equally valid - mental illness can usually be treated (or at least controlled) through proper therapy and/or medication, whereas terminal physical illnesses can not. So in the case of terminal illness, there is no point in stopping them from killing themselves, but there IS a point with mental illness.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:14 PM
 
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Then those with mental illnesses can kill themselves at will....it is their right.
I guess it's anyone's "right," but I guess you should see my edited post above. There ARE effective treatments for what I mention above, although dual diagnosis is much trickier.
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Old 01-26-2011, 01:36 AM
 
Location: California
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Then those with mental illnesses can kill themselves at will....it is their right.
Well oz, it's not like anyone is trying to legally prevent it.
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Old 01-26-2011, 02:03 AM
 
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Everyone converts to Christianity when they get to prison.

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Did you miss my response with the link to religious wackos? Did you miss that most criminals in the US are christers? Not atheists?

Percentage of atheists - FreeThoughtPedia

1997, Federal Bureau of Prisons, 0.21% of inmates were atheist[7]
The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of inmates per religion category:[8]
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%

American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%

Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%

Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%

What you might not expect - Atheists in Prison | The Rational Response Squad

Atheists Supply Less Than 1% Of Prison Populations It's suprising how many people say to m
During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics, 26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan, and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.
Since both catholics and protestants are christers, that would be 65+26=91% of murders are christers.
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