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Old 01-25-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Some taxes are required, but the archaic concept of taxing income (a throwback to the middle ages) is once again dying. Few argue against a minimal amount of taxes for basic services, but why stop at health care? Why not auto maintenance? Why not food? Shelter? Communications?
Because health care IS a burden, considering its costs. My company can hire two senior programmers in India for the cost of just health care premiums for an employee in the USA.
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Old 01-25-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Because health care IS a burden, considering its costs.
Seems like health care wasn't so much a burden in the past. People were insured only for catastrophic cases. Each doctor visit was paid out of pocket. The doctors who refuse all forms of insurance (one here in Apex, NC) seem to have the most customers and are the most liked.

Shelter is a burden, no? I mean, a $2,000/month mortgage seems pretty high. What about food for a 5 person family? Transportation?

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My company can hire two senior programmers in India for the cost of just health care premiums for an employee in the USA.
so?
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:00 AM
 
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This is a long article that I am reading off and on - so I will make comments as I go along.

The transparency aspect on page 1 is interesting. We just don't think that way here.

I know this because tax returns, like most everything else in Norway, are a matter of public record. Anyone anywhere can log on to a website maintained by the government and find out what kind of scratch a fellow Norwegian taxpayer makes—be he Ole Einar Bjørndalen, the famous Norwegian biathlete, or Ole the next-door neighbor. This, Dalmo explains, has a chilling effect on any desire he might have to live even larger.

I have to think about that one.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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But there is precious little evidence to suggest that our low taxes have done much for entrepreneurs—or even for the economy as a whole.

He's kidding right? 70% income taxes before 1980. Down to 28% after that. What happened economically to the US in that time? Please - give me break.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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This is a long article that I am reading off and on - so I will make comments as I go along.

The transparency aspect on page 1 is interesting. We just don't think that way here.

I know this because tax returns, like most everything else in Norway, are a matter of public record. Anyone anywhere can log on to a website maintained by the government and find out what kind of scratch a fellow Norwegian taxpayer makes—be he Ole Einar Bjørndalen, the famous Norwegian biathlete, or Ole the next-door neighbor. This, Dalmo explains, has a chilling effect on any desire he might have to live even larger.

I have to think about that one.
This is useful for a socialist society because it makes the moochers known. You cannot replicate socialism in a society like ours (other than not being an Aryan Whiteyville) because the moochers will not make themselves known.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Dalmo supplements the standard government health plan with a $330-per-employee-per-year private insurance plan that buys employees treatment in private hospitals if a doctor isn't immediately available in a public one.

OK - so what happened to these great services? He has to supplement the shortcomings of the government. That just wiped out the purpose of the article.

So even in the best communist environment, people still wait for doctors. Take note people.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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This is useful for a socialist society because it makes the moochers known. You cannot replicate socialism in a society like ours (other than not being an Aryan Whiteyville) because the moochers will not make themselves known.
We are on the same page - I was thinking the same thing. This may work only if all adhere to the rules of transparency
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Dalmo supplements the standard government health plan with a $330-per-employee-per-year private insurance plan that buys employees treatment in private hospitals if a doctor isn't immediately available in a public one.

OK - so what happened to these great services? He has to supplement the shortcomings of the government. That just wiped out the purpose of the article.

So even in the best communist environment, people still wait for doctors. Take note people.
In socialism, everyone is equal. Some are just more equal than others.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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But there is precious little evidence to suggest that our low taxes have done much for entrepreneurs—or even for the economy as a whole.

He's kidding right? 70% income taxes before 1980. Down to 28% after that. What happened economically to the US in that time? Please - give me break.
The loopholes are the biggest problem. Way too easy to get around paying anything...
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Seems like health care wasn't so much a burden in the past.
That would be correct. Health care costs have risen dramatically since 2000.

As a percentage of GDP
Projected Health Insurance Premiums for family coverage
Not helping the people either...
A 156% increase in premiums is a thing of beauty, isn't it?
Or, perhaps a 174% increase in health care spending is

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Shelter is a burden, no? I mean, a $2,000/month mortgage seems pretty high. What about food for a 5 person family? Transportation?
It can be, if the businesses provided that. Or, if people HAD TO depend on their employers for it.

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so?
Not much... except that it is an example of a reality that takes away the argument of US losing jobs to other country from all but truly shameless people.
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