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View Poll Results: What is your estimate for 4Q GDP growth?
Less than 0% 0 0%
0.1%-1% 1 4.76%
1.1%-2% 2 9.52%
2.1%-3% 12 57.14%
3.1%-4% 4 19.05%
4.1%-5% 1 4.76%
5% or More 1 4.76%
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Old 04-14-2011, 12:51 PM
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2 weeks now until 1Q11 GDP. Estimates have been deteriorating to well below the 3.1% 4Q10. Feb trade data was horrible. Many of the vulnerabilities we've discussed here - energy prices, mideast unrest, housing, inflation etc. - have come to pass in varying degrees, plus the unforeseeable Japanese disaster. Sub-2% looks like a real possibility, and that would revive the double-dip talk...
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Old 04-14-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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2 weeks now until 1Q11 GDP. Estimates have been deteriorating to well below the 3.1% 4Q10. Feb trade data was horrible. Many of the vulnerabilities we've discussed here - energy prices, mideast unrest, housing, inflation etc. - have come to pass in varying degrees, plus the unforeseeable Japanese disaster. Sub-2% looks like a real possibility, and that would revive the double-dip talk...
I would still guess 3.7%, propped up by inventories. Housing suffered in the first quarter, imports surged, and personal consumption may have stagnated with rising energy prices mid-quarter. It will be an interesting report none the less.

Economist consensus is 2.4%.
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Old 04-14-2011, 02:37 PM
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I would still guess 3.7%, propped up by inventories. Housing suffered in the first quarter, imports surged, and personal consumption may have stagnated with rising energy prices mid-quarter. It will be an interesting report none the less.

Economist consensus is 2.4%.

I wonder how current that 2.4% consensus is? JPM was at 2.5 until yesterday, now 1.4:

StreetInsider.com - JPMorgan Cuts Q1 US GDP Forecast from 2.5% to 1.4%
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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I wonder how current that 2.4% consensus is? JPM was at 2.5 until yesterday, now 1.4:

StreetInsider.com - JPMorgan Cuts Q1 US GDP Forecast from 2.5% to 1.4%
It was lowered to 2.0% from the time I originally posted the old figure to this point. Looks like it is revised frequently, since most of the groups that make projections change their predictions just as often.
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:23 AM
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It was lowered to 2.0% from the time I originally posted the old figure to this point. Looks like it is revised frequently, since most of the groups that make projections change their predictions just as often.
And now to 1.7% - seems low to me - maybe deflator expectations at work?
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:44 AM
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1.8% - just a blip? Hard to see the unemployment rate improving much with growth that slow...
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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that is bad news.
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:50 PM
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What's interesting to me is that the last-minute consensus on 1Q was pretty close to the 1.8% initially reported. But based on today's 1Q revision down to .4%, the so-called experts weren't even close...
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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OK the unemployment numbers have been revised downward every month from the start of this recession. It would only make sense to do the same things with the economy numbers. our countries credit rating is based in part on those numbers so what do you call it when you get creative with your books?
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:43 PM
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OK the unemployment numbers have been revised downward every month from the start of this recession. It would only make sense to do the same things with the economy numbers. our countries credit rating is based in part on those numbers so what do you call it when you get creative with your books?
You can certainly fault the govt for being overly "creative" with some of its numbers. The prime example is purely subjective "hedonic" CPI adjustments.

GDP is a somewhat arbitrary conglomeration of many economic indicators, and arrival at a final GDP number is a prolonged and messy process. Some of those indicators aren't even available yet when the first GDP estimate comes out, so they get "estimated". When they do come out, they affect the next GDP revision. Some of the underlying indicators themselves have some estimated components, so they are also subject to revisions that eventually roll into the final GDP.

I assume the people doing the credit rating take into account the "squishiness" of the data they rely on...
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