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Old 01-27-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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This is certainly not a revelation and was known by essentially everyone (I guess except those who passed it to see what was in it) prior to passage. Charles Krauthammer had an op-ed about this over the weekend. The big lies about Obamacare basically reveal that it is a very costly program that will increase the debt dramatically. The CBO processed numbers presented to them. The presumptions that the CBO operated on were false, therefore thier conclusions wer flawed.

1. Obamacare is presumed budget neutral if $500 billion is trimmed from Medicare over the next ten years. Everyone acknowledges that this will never happen, therefore there will be no "savings"

2. Obamacare collects revenues for ten years, with only five years of payment. If the collections vs cost was analyzed upon an annual cost/ expense rate, the plan loses money every year, increasing the debt.

3. Obamacare presumed a pool of enrollees encompassing a variety of different ages, business sectors, and risk pools. "Cherry picking" with exemptions to Obamacare has elimintated most of these intial presumptions.

4. Obamacare does not include the increase financial burden to states, making the presumptions of federal "budget neurtality" somewhat hollow compared to many actual costs carried by the states.


In short- anyone who believed adding 40 million new patients to medical roles would save money really needs to examine carefully how, in the real world, that would ever be possible. Obviously, in the real world, it is not.
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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The obamabots are keeping silent because the HC lies are being exposed and they need to regroup and come up with a new pack of lies, deflection, and so forth.

Anyone with any sense knows this bogus HC is not good and it should be repealed as soon as possible before the major destruction sets in.
They are all waiting for their talking points from media matters, daily kos and huffington.
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The health care argument is history. It passed. Republicans can either move on or try to improve upon it, but it won't be repealed.
Don't hold your breath.
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Not to worry though, obama nominated Berwick to head Medicare and Madicaid. The "health care is redistribution of wealth" Berwick will make things all better.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) called the renomination “a disappointing decision.”

“A day after the president committed to coming together to move our country forward, he’s chosen to renominate one of his most contentious nominees to head an agency that impacts the lives of more than 100 million Americans,” said Hatch, who is the ranking member on the Senate Finance Committee.


Read more: Medicare chief Berwick gets W.H. nod - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: South East
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"Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Barry Soetoro (a.k.a. Barack Hussein Obama) wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens."

His Character and his Policies have dictated his fate
not even the 'MISGUIDED' liberals like being lied to
Hypocrisy at its best! Typical.
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:30 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Let the chart speak:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/leftynot/CBO.jpg (broken link)

http://www.pacificresearch.org/docLib/20091123_Senate_Bill_Cost_Chart.pdf (broken link)
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yes, the media is trying their best to ignore these reports.
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:37 PM
 
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This is certainly newsworthy. Was this guy consulted before the law was passed? If not, why? If so, why weren't his opinions reported?
You forget that Nancy Pelosi an the Democrat led Congress and Senate said we had to pass it first so we could all read it, that makes sense doesn't it?
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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You forget that Nancy Pelosi an the Democrat led Congress and Senate said we had to pass it first so we could all read it, that makes sense doesn't it?
Well, kinda sorta.........

You have to pass a kidney stone to know how big it is.

But the pain is still excruciating.....
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Mid Missouri
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It needs to be defunded. THAT is not something Obama gets to veto.
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