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Old 01-27-2011, 07:55 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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The stupidity of this woman astonishes me.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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True. And people in the US apparently fail to see the same thing is going on with their own country
Americans know this, but are powerless in many ways to do anything. The military industrial complex will continue to get welfare for obscenely expensive (and unnecessary) weapons systems the M.I.C. continues to receive from both parties.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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Sputnik iteself was not a technological marvel. The rocket needed to get Sputniks payload into space was the big event, which sparked the Space Race/Nuclear Arms War. If Russians could get Sputnik into space, it could get a nuclear bomb to US Soil. And so it was, the arms race was set in stone.

Her response was clunky, yes, but she's not wrong. It did indeed factor into the ultimate collapse of the USSR.

PS...she never said it was "due to" Sputnik.
Do you ever expect the truth from the left on any subject?
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Or are you saying she was attempting a dissertation on the USSR space program? If so, who is she to make a peep on this topic? A cold war or space history scholar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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The Russians could get a nuclear bomb to US soil without a rocket and the arms race was in progress long before 1957 so to allege Sputnik was the kick-off of the game is just wrong.



Then why bring it up in the context she did?
ICBM technology was not a big threat at the time. This was the opening salvo. The arms race was changed with the introduction of nuclear ICBM's because aircraft were easily tracked. ICBM's were the next big threat. Please try to keep up if you're going to make a point.

But don't beleive me.....

The Dark Side…
But, there was a dark side to the Soviet success. The Soviet Union’s space program was, in fact, an off-shoot of its efforts to develop a nuclear-tipped, intercontinental-range ballistic missile (ICBM). The R-7 missile used to launch Sputnik was an ICBM. It was first tested on August 21, 1957, when it carried a dummy warhead 3,500 miles. Soviet statements hailed the R-7 as a “super long-distance intercontinental multistage ballistic rocket.” A second test was successfully carried out on September 7.[3] Meanwhile, similar tests in the United States’ ICBM program were ending in spectacular failure.

Alarm bells rang out all over Washington. The satellite launch, coupled with the two successful Soviet ICBM tests, suggested that the Soviet Union was achieving nuclear superiority.

https://www.cia.gov/news-information...space-age.html
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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I think the USSR made much more debt with its military spending than with its space program.
because the military doesn't build the economy--business growth and reinvestment does. How does this sound strangely familiar?
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Sputnik iteself was not a technological marvel. The rocket needed to get Sputniks payload into space was the big event, which sparked the Space Race/Nuclear Arms War. If Russians could get Sputnik into space, it could get a nuclear bomb to US Soil. And so it was, the arms race was set in stone.

Her response was clunky, yes, but she's not wrong. It did indeed factor into the ultimate collapse of the USSR.

PS...she never said it was "due to" Sputnik.
Wow, some people not only don't hear what the President says, they don't hear what their own Gurus say. Palin clearly did not follow or understand what the President was trying to get across, and some here are not understanding that she does not grasp, even very simple analogies.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:08 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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ICBM technology was not a big threat at the time. This was the opening salvo. The arms race was changed with the introduction of ICBM's because aircraft were easily tracked. ICBM's were the next big threat. Please try to keep up if you're going to make a point.
And your point would be what?

The US-USSR arms race was already in full swing when Sputnik was launched, the big $$ spending on rocket technology started immediately after WW II. To infer Sputnik started all the spending as Palin has done is just plain BS.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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Wow, some people not only don't hear what the President says, they don't hear what their own Gurus say. Palin clearly did not follow or understand what the President was trying to get across, and some here are not understanding that she does not grasp, even very simple analogies.
I've already said that she got the analogy wrong.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:13 AM
 
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And your point would be what?

The US-USSR arms race was already in full swing when Sputnik was launched, the big $$ spending on rocket technology started immediately after WW II. To infer Sputnik started all the spending as Palin has done is just plain BS.
My point is to counter your previous response...which was that Russians could already get nuclear warheads to US soil. What you didn't mention (that I filled in the blanks) was that transporting nuclear warheads to US soil was only capable via aircraft at the time...which were easily tracked. That's why the ICBM was created in the first place. So my point is to illustrate that the nuclear tipped ICBM is a product of the Sputnik mission...which you seem to believe is not accurate. I've asked you to counter it but you haven't.

You should read up a bit. Sputnik was not a peace mission as you seem to surmise. It was a mission that greatly contributed to the arms race, which ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR.
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