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Which ones are not part of your general knowledge? That health care is much cheaper in other nations? That outcomes are better? That there is more choice?
They must all be....
So please provide links, since so many exist....
There is a reason people from other countries come to the United States of America to recieve health care.
I have a mission for you: set out and seek all the laws that regulate health care in the US and in one of those first world countries... say Canada or Holland.
Everybody just assumes the US is capitalist thus free market... it's not.
You will find that the US is much more socialist/corporatist (in health care) than either Canada or Holland. Also a lot of these socialist countries are going back from socialism to capitalism because it's unaffordable in the long run
I have some knowledge of that already. And some of what you say is true. The US does not have the most market-oriented health care in the world. That would be Switzerland, Germany and the Netherlands. The difference is, all their systems have regulations in place that adress the removal of cost from provider and consumer when consumption occurs in the health care market, and regulations to adress the problem that the people most in need of health care are the least atrractive customers.
As for the second bit, no. These nations are not moving away from socialism towards cpaitalism. Because many are not just more socialist than the USA, but also more capitalist.
Is that why Germany and I believe even Canada say stay away from it?
Quote? Link?
I'm canadian and I never heard that.
Canada is the country among the G8 that did the best during the financial crisis. And our conservative PM attributes that to what? Tight financial regulations! Believe it or not. And while Canada is slightly tilting to the right (according to its own political grid), it is still a very socialist country by american standard.
Our PM would be a commie in american politics yet here he's often viewed as a neocon.
That is an exceptionally serious indictment of the US system. If the measurement of the system is how many people go to a foreign country for treatment, the US system get brutally humilliated by every other system on the planet.
80 000 people come to the USA for treatment every year.
Between 1 000 000 to 1 500 000 leave the US for medical treatment every year. No other system on the planet face such a devastating condemnation from its own people.
As for what reason the people who come to the US have, there are 3 main ones:
-Their UHC pays for them. Even with the US expense, it can be cheaper to simply export a patient or three per year, than maintain specialist expertise And the US is one of the few nations that will deny its own citizens service in favor of wealthy foreigners.
-They are rich people from third-world nations, and once again, the US will prioritize them for money.
-Third, they want vanity surgery that is not covered on a UHC and may not even be done in their home countries.
I don't mean to be mean, but if you really did not know that the US system is far more expensive and wasteful than all the others, you should do some reading -and not just partisan sites- before discussing it.
It isn't "control" to pay for your lifestyle. If you drive a big car, you pay more to do so with gas bills.
If you have life insurance, you definitely pay more for it if you have risky employment or smoke.
If taxpayers pay for health care - I absolutely want to see some adjustment made for those that choose to be unhealthy and require more medical care.
Our taxes pay for infrastructure also....so where would taxing people based on their lifestyle stop? Would people who choose to stay at home & indoors be exempt from paying taxes for bridges they don't use?
Don't you see where this leads or that indeed it is a sort of control if one is forced to pay?
How about face lifts? In my state those who can afford them do not pay taxes on them, should we repeal these tax loopholes first?
That is an exceptionally serious indictment of the US system. If the measurement of the system is how many people go to a foreign country for treatment, the US system get brutally humilliated by every other system on the planet.
80 000 people come to the USA for treatment every year.
Between 1 000 000 to 1 500 000 leave the US for medical treatment every year. No other system on the planet face such a devastating condemnation from its own people.
As for what reason the people who come to the US have, there are 3 main ones:
-Their UHC pays for them. Even with the US expense, it can be cheaper to simply export a patient or three per year, than maintain specialist expertise And the US is one of the few nations that will deny its own citizens service in favor of wealthy foreigners.
-They are rich people from third-world nations, and once again, the US will prioritize them for money.
-Third, they want vanity surgery that is not covered on a UHC and may not even be done in their home countries.
I don't mean to be mean, but if you really did not know that the US system is far more expensive and wasteful than all the others, you should do some reading -and not just partisan sites- before discussing it.
This is interesting...
Your not mean, you just think you are talking to the average normal person trying to pick a fight (argument).
Nope...I listen to all, no blinders...
I also do not care about left or right..I want whats right...
You have to ask yourself though...why is Health care so expensive....in America....
Could it be reasons like this senator going to sue the cafeteria because of a pit? $150000 worth...
Could it be because, everyone sue's because of "what ever" and they get away with it...
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