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I have stuck to the issues and will not continue to repeat myself over and over. Go to the other thread and read. I don't see any use of dealing with issues with a jealous bunch such as yourselves. I get pleasure letting you people know who you really are, which Newsday won't report and are part of. I wouldn't be surprised if some of you were Newsday reporters. So Mangano has NO power to lower salaries and neither does NIFA. THat kind of frustrates you huh. Its called a contract!! The only way out of a contract is to go bankrupt. Thats what they have parachutes for. And according to you guys mine is golden.
This has NOTHING to do with jealousy. This is about the financial problems that currently face Nassau County. This is about the fact we need a multi pronged approach to the county finances fixed. Everyone needs to make sacrifices, that includes homeowners with higher property taxes, as well as those in the Civil Service. The cops get the brunt of the civil service talk regarding the county because they make so much more than everyone else in the civil service for the county, and its not even remotely close.
I think you have a point here. It has been said by others (and myself) before, as well. When things are going well and people are making money hand over fist, no one bothers with civil servants. When things are going well, civil servants are the people at the DMV, tax collectors, or "government workers" of a vague nature at best. At worst, they are the slobs who do the jobs no one else wants to do.
When times are tough, suddenly civil servants are of great interest. Suddenly they are the ones who make too much money, have too many benefits, and live "lavish" lifestyles. When the private sector is unstable, taxpayer reaction is to take it out on the people who do have some stability. Misery loves company.
Thing is, this is not unique to New York. It's going on across the nation.
Mark my words: When and if things get better in the private sector, civil servants will fall off the radar. They'll go back to being the nameless, faceless people who deliver the mail, patch up the roads, clean up child vomit between lessons, listen to helicopter parents at parent-teacher night, and respond to calls when the party next door goes on until 3:00 a.m. There will always be a few cranks and critics, but by and large, they'll come to be regarded as fringe, as they were before everyone jumped on their bandwagon.
Don't get me wrong. I can see how it can be annoying, especially coming from people who appear to be tooling around on City-Data on company time or using company resources. Imagine a cop or teacher doing that. Must be nice to get paid to goof off.
But don't sweat it, Truth. Seriously. It's not worth blowing a gasket over. I won't go so far as to say let 'em eat cake, because everyone has the right to an opinion and to express that opinion. Just that you know what they say about opinions.
If you actually believe this began with the current down turn then you are sadly mistaken as this goes back to the 1980's. Voters, taxpayers now have the benefit of information that wasn't avaialble. This is not going away even when the economy improves, you think this year was bad just wait. Continuing to pay civil service employees more than taxpayers working in private industry is insane and unsustainable.
If you actually believe this began with the current down turn then you are sadly mistaken as this goes back to the 1980's. Voters, taxpayers now have the benefit of information that wasn't avaialble. This is not going away even when the economy improves, you think this year was bad just wait. Continuing to pay civil service employees more than taxpayers working in private industry is insane and unsustainable.
It comes up during recessions and economic downturns and goes away when the economy is booming. The 80s are a perfect illustration of that. People complained in the early 80s when there was a recession, and said nothing in the late 80s when greed was good.
The complained in the early 90s, then said nothing all through the boom years of the Clinton administration. In fact, they had so little to complain about, they had to look at his lovelife to find something.
They complained in the early 00s, then said nothing until the housing bubble began to waver, then burst, which brings us to just a few years ago, when people started complaining again.
Funny, though, the press and the Internet have been around longer than the current economic downturn.
Complaining about civil servants follows the same cycle as the economy. Heaven knows I've lived through enough recessions to notice the pattern.
I'm starting to believe that half of the police department was locking up drunks with half of them making over $150K. I know, just another you statistic you choose not to believe after all we can just count on your personla research. Enjoy yourself in Disney Land because that's where you live.
The dept is down to 2400. 400 supv and 400 detectives. There is a third that are not cops making over 150G. And I have told you before but you like to rehash things over and over. When the dept is cut there is savings. But when people go on vacation those spots have to be filled. So hence the OT over having more cops and beni's when they are not needed. So you can have 3000 cops making base pay or 2400 with some making OT. But like Mickey you like to have your cake and eat it. By the way when I go to Disney I stay with fed civil service dept of defense( yeh a complainer like you only saw basic training in Full Metal Jacket) cheap at Shades of Green while some Wall St dude like you spends double the price for the same room at the Floridian. That must burn you to huh!!
This has NOTHING to do with jealousy. This is about the financial problems that currently face Nassau County. This is about the fact we need a multi pronged approach to the county finances fixed. Everyone needs to make sacrifices, that includes homeowners with higher property taxes, as well as those in the Civil Service. The cops get the brunt of the civil service talk regarding the county because they make so much more than everyone else in the civil service for the county, and its not even remotely close.
Jail,college, hospital etc. Just not as many. But its OK. And I'll tell you again. NO UNION IS BARGANING WITH POLITICIANS OF THIS COUNTY. Past deals are forgotten and those that have their stamps of approval on contracts seem to forget. Like I said before you might get a freeze but nothing is getting lowered unless the county goes bankrupt. You might not like unions but the lying that goes on shows just what would happen if there were no unions. The ultimate liar is Bloomberg and what he is doing with the NYPD,NYFD, Corrections Variable Supplement Fund. That was union money given to the city in 87 for a certain deal and now they make like its a Christmas bonus. Dealing with politicians is like making a deal with devil. The only deal is what comes out of a court room
It comes up during recessions and economic downturns and goes away when the economy is booming. The 80s are a perfect illustration of that. People complained in the early 80s when there was a recession, and said nothing in the late 80s when greed was good.
The complained in the early 90s, then said nothing all through the boom years of the Clinton administration. In fact, they had so little to complain about, they had to look at his lovelife to find something.
They complained in the early 00s, then said nothing until the housing bubble began to waver, then burst, which brings us to just a few years ago, when people started complaining again.
Funny, though, the press and the Internet have been around longer than the current economic downturn.
Complaining about civil servants follows the same cycle as the economy. Heaven knows I've lived through enough recessions to notice the pattern.
Hit the nail on the head. In the city they cry poverty even when times are good. Guiliani, America's Mayor , Zero's for Heroes.
Jail,college, hospital etc. Just not as many. But its OK. And I'll tell you again. NO UNION IS BARGANING WITH POLITICIANS OF THIS COUNTY. Past deals are forgotten and those that have their stamps of approval on contracts seem to forget. Like I said before you might get a freeze but nothing is getting lowered unless the county goes bankrupt. You might not like unions but the lying that goes on shows just what would happen if there were no unions. The ultimate liar is Bloomberg and what he is doing with the NYPD,NYFD, Corrections Variable Supplement Fund. That was union money given to the city in 87 for a certain deal and now they make like its a Christmas bonus. Dealing with politicians is like making a deal with devil. The only deal is what comes out of a court room
As far as those who work in the other civil service positions such as the jails, NCCC, the hospitals, etc, the reason I am not bringing them up is because they don't make nearly as much. They do not completely dominate the highest paid county workers, the cops do.
I do realize that a cut in wages is very unlikely to happen before the ext contract. However, the massive handouts past Execs like Purcell, Gullotta have given to the PBA and now Mangano with this compensation cap removal bs, is a key reason why we are in the situation we are in.
The combination of the GOP giving the handouts to the PBA combined with the tea party style economics on taxes is a very bad fit. If we are going to be serious about fixing the problems with the county, both need to be addressed.
Insane to you cause you don't have it. Most teachers have at least a master degree and 30 to 60 more credits. Many are Drs. May be you should have paid more attention in class or has a better resume.
You are absolutely right. I don't have it. I have more.
I have followed your posts on this thread. Your thoughts are discombobulated and your grammar and spelling are atrocious.
BTW, I didn't have to pay attention in class. Just lucky that way.
As far as those who work in the other civil service positions such as the jails, NCCC, the hospitals, etc, the reason I am not bringing them up is because they don't make nearly as much. They do not completely dominate the highest paid county workers, the cops do.
I do realize that a cut in wages is very unlikely to happen before the ext contract. However, the massive handouts past Execs like Purcell, Gullotta have given to the PBA and now Mangano with this compensation cap removal bs, is a key reason why we are in the situation we are in.
The county is in the situation it is in because it hardly raised taxes for the last 20 yrs and gave back money the schools collected. Thats why the schools are paying much more employees and have not had problems till now. Because they raise taxes 4 to 5 % every year and the tax payer almost always votes yes. If not the first time then the second time when little Johnnys football team will be eliminated. Now Mangano stuck his foot in his mouth because he never thought he was gonna win. Looks like he wants to have a bankrupt county.
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