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What's funny is that there is sarcasm on the LIPA thread in the LI subforum, with the sentiment being, "big whoop, LIPA will give us back $2.00 a month."
Yet they are screaming bloody murder here to save $7.00 a month.
If that doesn't make the agenda apparent, nothing will.
LOL! They are very obvious in their motive even though they don't think so.
We can agree to disagree, civil service salaries have been an issue going back decades, just look at the articles since 2000. Today there is much more access to detailed information through the NY State open Book Site, seethrough NY, etc that was not available 10 years ago. Even when the economy was up in 2003, 2004 the issue was there and the press articles for the good years still critcizing salaries.
One thing the down turn in the economy did bring to light was the over stated earnings and underfunding of pension but the salary issues were always there.
I think Nassau is just reflecting a national trend as part of the cycle I mentioned. A friend in Ohio was just saying that Kasich is going after civil servants there, mostly to set a precedent for breaking unions in general. Funny, but my friend mentioned, sarcastically, that it's those cops and teachers living high on the government hog.
It does shine light on another issue, though. Granted, there are people who would love to see all unions broken and done away with. Okay, fine, acknowledge, duly note, move on.
But then there are those who support unions, but not civil service unions. Well, what do they think is going to happen if folks like Kasich and the resident union-haters here in NY, or anywhere, get their way with the civil service unions? The next to go are the unions for everyone else.
American workers are already being treated like garbage because of "what the market dictates." If you look at the [URL="//www.city-data.com/forum/work-employment/"]Work and Employment[/URL] subforum here, you'll see tale upon tale of people getting fired for the most ludicrous of reasons, reasons that never would have held water just 5 years ago but are now apparently perfectly fine. The attitude among power-tripping management is that if workers don't cater to their completely unreasonable demands and petty dictums, well, too bad, because there are 100 other slobs behind them who need the money and will.
Sorry, but that's not the road this country needs to travel.
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you are so anti-cop, anti republican, anti teacher its soo ugly
the county finance troubles have nothing to do with cops or teachers..
40% of all county revenue comes from SALES TAX....property tax only makes up 30% of the county revenue...federal and state aid is 14% of the budget
library system.....money pit
DSS..(state and county).........money pit (TANF is projected to increase by 15%)
DOL..(state and county).......money pit
nassau colliseum.......money pit
the suozi red light cameras.......money pit
the county beaches.....cost more for upkeep, than money brought in
county (and state) road crews, where you have 10 flagmen to 1 worker.......money pit
the county spent nearly 250 million ( a quarter BILLION dollars ) on medicaid last year
also the county gets slammed by the individual school districts....Nassau County is also in the unique position of paying the entire amount of all tax certiorari settlements,
including the portion that relate to school and town taxes. As such, the County pays out approximately
$100 million annually, of which only 17% relates to refunds of taxes levied by the County.
Mangano has already REDUCED the size of the police force by 2,400 officers, and the county payrolls by an additional 400 county workers
Oh please what a load of crap. Where did I say anything about teachers? I have commented a bit on administrators and some of the superintendent salaries a bit, but I have tried to steer the conversation away from the teachers, admin, etc because they have very little to do with the county budget since we have individual school districts.
Nor am I anti cop. However, fact of the matter is handout after handout after handout has been given to the PBA over the years. Starting with Purcell (maybe even before that), followed heavily by Gullotta, and now Mangano is doing the same thing with removing the compensation caps put in place by Suozzi. I have no problems with cops, and don't really have problems with the being well paid. However, the fact of the matter is the county simply can't afford to give out a median base salary of $116,000, which goes up to near $150,000 with OT and up over $200,000 with benefits included. The county simply can't afford it. The county can't afford to give retiring chiefs $800,000 + in order to retire.
We need to fix our financial problems. Doing the exact same things we did under Gullotta, which led us to junk bond status, during one of the greatest economic booms in our nation's history is just awful policy.
And Mangano did not cut the force by 2,400 officers, he cut the force to 2,400 but not by 2,400.
Also you are a bit off in your sales tax revenue 40%, property tax revenue 30%. The numbers aren't official but the difference in the $2.6 billion budget, for sales and property tax was roughly $90 million ($70 million without the now repealed energy tax which was counted as sales tax revenue for the first half of the year before the repeal) Its roughly 38-35%
Oh please what a load of crap. Where did I say anything about teachers? I have commented a bit on administrators and some of the superintendent salaries a bit, but I have tried to steer the conversation away from the teachers, admin, etc because they have very little to do with the county budget since we have individual school districts.
Nor am I anti cop. However, fact of the matter is handout after handout after handout has been given to the PBA over the years. Starting with Purcell (maybe even before that), followed heavily by Gullotta, and now Mangano is doing the same thing with removing the compensation caps put in place by Suozzi. I have no problems with cops, and don't really have problems with the being well paid. However, the fact of the matter is the county simply can't afford to give out a median base salary of $116,000, which goes up to near $150,000 with OT and up over $200,000 with benefits included. The county simply can't afford it. The county can't afford to give retiring chiefs $800,000 + in order to retire.
We need to fix our financial problems. Doing the exact same things we did under Gullotta, which led us to junk bond status, during one of the greatest economic booms in our nation's history is just awful policy.
And Mangano did not cut the force by 2,400 officers, he cut the force to 2,400 but not by 2,400.
Also you are a bit off in your sales tax revenue 40%, property tax revenue 30%. The numbers aren't official but the difference in the $2.6 billion for sales and property tax was roughly $90 million ($70 million without the now repealed energy tax which was counted as sales tax revenue for the first half of the year before the repeal) Its roughly 38-35%
Do you have the following as a cut and paste that you use over and over
Nor am I anti cop. However, fact of the matter is handout after handout after handout has been given to the PBA over the years. Starting with Purcell (maybe even before that), followed heavily by Gullotta, and now Mangano is doing the same thing with removing the compensation caps put in place by Suozzi. I have no problems with cops, and don't really have problems with the being well paid. However, the fact of the matter is the county simply can't afford to give out a median base salary of $116,000, which goes up to near $150,000 with OT and up over $200,000 with benefits included. The county simply can't afford it. The county can't afford to give retiring chiefs $800,000 + in order to retir
You have been explained the OT reasons over and over , go back and look. come up with some new material
He doesn't want to discuss the school tax even thought thats where all his money is going. If school taxes were not so high everyone would not be freaking out about the few sheckles more to pay the county on top of the county tax portion that is only a minor amount of the total property tax bill. Why discuss something thats relevant. Just keep discussing that cops are uneducated boobs that should not earn more money than say you do. You don't hate cops, you would just love em more if they all lived either in Levittown or a housing project.
Do you have the following as a cut and paste that you use over and over
Nor am I anti cop. However, fact of the matter is handout after handout after handout has been given to the PBA over the years. Starting with Purcell (maybe even before that), followed heavily by Gullotta, and now Mangano is doing the same thing with removing the compensation caps put in place by Suozzi. I have no problems with cops, and don't really have problems with the being well paid. However, the fact of the matter is the county simply can't afford to give out a median base salary of $116,000, which goes up to near $150,000 with OT and up over $200,000 with benefits included. The county simply can't afford it. The county can't afford to give retiring chiefs $800,000 + in order to retir
You have been explained the OT reasons over and over , go back and look. come up with some new material
The reason I keep repeating it over and over is because its factual.
The reason I keep repeating it over and over is because its factual.
but its not factual...not that its the 'problem' in Nassau or even suffolk
why are you worried that a cop makes a BASE salary of 108k (that is the top for a regular PO)?????? so with overtime they ake more than that...if you wgot overtime (time and a half or more) than you certainly would increase you salary by 50-100% too
the top professions on LI...doctors, lawyers, finance people..all make twice what a workingstiff cop makes
the biggest drains on the counties are DSS, DOL and the library system
but its not factual...not that its the 'problem' in Nassau or even suffolk
why are you worried that a cop makes a BASE salary of 108k (that is the top for a regular PO)?????? so with overtime they ake more than that...if you wgot overtime (time and a half or more) than you certainly would increase you salary by 50-100% too
the top professions on LI...doctors, lawyers, finance people..all make twice what a workingstiff cop makes
the biggest drains on the counties are DSS, DOL and the library system
but its not factual...not that its the 'problem' in Nassau or even suffolk
why are you worried that a cop makes a BASE salary of 108k (that is the top for a regular PO)?????? so with overtime they ake more than that...if you wgot overtime (time and a half or more) than you certainly would increase you salary by 50-100% too
the top professions on LI...doctors, lawyers, finance people..all make twice what a workingstiff cop makes
the biggest drains on the counties are DSS, DOL and the library system
The top base salary is not $108,000 considering the median base salary is $116,000....
Fact is we are talking about the Nassau County Budget, the Nassau County workforce. Taking a looking at the pay for the Nassau County workforce, the highest paid are virtually all cops. That is why I am targeting them the most. We have an issue with the county budget, we need to fix it from all sides.
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