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Old 02-18-2011, 02:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Any? So you have looked up evey dept in NY and Cali. As I posted before base pay a pension is MORE on SJPD. OT is because of arrest and min manning . Case closed. Your opinion is the same as Newsdays. Plenty of depts that make more than Nassau. on LI, in NJ and out on Cali.
The pension really isn't more in SJ. You need to be on for the 30 years to get the full pension, and because the salary is lower the actual pension comes out to be lower.

While NJ and Cali as a whole have higher wages for Police than NY, no department in either state or any other state have higher police pay than Nassau. Nassau's median of $116,000 for a base is the highest in the country, Nassau's median with OT being just shy of $150,000 is also the highest in the nation, and as far as OT goes pretty much every dept has OT.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:40 AM
 
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Your Mangano anylisis is ludicrous and ridiculous and makes anytjing you post not credible
The savings just don't match unless these retiring cops were going to be on the force for several more years. Giving $800,000 + handouts surpasses any savings bringing a new cop on would cost.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:10 AM
 
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The savings just don't match unless these retiring cops were going to be on the force for several more years. Giving $800,000 + handouts surpasses any savings bringing a new cop on would cost.

Mangano was just looking for a 1 shot to get through the year, he needed to borrow money for the retirement payouts so this year and next the impact is minimal and he got those big salaries off the books. The other problem is that they need to increase the OT to cover those lost positions so the benefit was minimal at a huge cost.

The problem is the county was paying interest on those $800K payouts for several years adding to the burden. He will do anything not to raise taxes and at this point is dmaging the future even more with things like selling off the leases at Mitchel Field, this is the same thing Gulotta and others did back in the 80's and 90's. I welcome NIFA's oversight before he sells the county down the river.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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The savings just don't match unless these retiring cops were going to be on the force for several more years. Giving $800,000 + handouts surpasses any savings bringing a new cop on would cost.
They didn't hire a new cop to replace any. Stop just spitting out data you consider a fact, because its not.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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The pension really isn't more in SJ. You need to be on for the 30 years to get the full pension, and because the salary is lower the actual pension comes out to be lower.

While NJ and Cali as a whole have higher wages for Police than NY, no department in either state or any other state have higher police pay than Nassau. Nassau's median of $116,000 for a base is the highest in the country, Nassau's median with OT being just shy of $150,000 is also the highest in the nation, and as far as OT goes pretty much every dept has OT.
For NY its 20 yrs for 50%. You need 32 yrs for 70%. So 30 yrs to get 90% is WAY better. I the salary is NOT lower There might be less OT. But at 90% and a 3% COLA that pension is much better, so you are aslo sptiiting out bad data. So,e more bad data is you don't have to stay 30 yrs to retire. But if you stay more than the required yrs you can go high high as 50%. Any cop would trad his 150G at 70% for 100 G at 90% wit the 3% COLA SJPD better base pay, better pension, better beni's BETTER JOB
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:31 PM
 
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They didn't hire a new cop to replace any. Stop just spitting out data you consider a fact, because its not.
That also plays a role in more OT. The cost to give these guys these massive handouts by waving the compensation caps outweighs the cost savings that result from having less staff.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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For NY its 20 yrs for 50%. You need 32 yrs for 70%. So 30 yrs to get 90% is WAY better. I the salary is NOT lower There might be less OT. But at 90% and a 3% COLA that pension is much better, so you are aslo sptiiting out bad data. So,e more bad data is you don't have to stay 30 yrs to retire. But if you stay more than the required yrs you can go high high as 50%. Any cop would trad his 150G at 70% for 100 G at 90% wit the 3% COLA SJPD better base pay, better pension, better beni's BETTER JOB
Nassau County has COLA increases as well, the median base salary is higher in Nassau than in SJ. The SJ public employee pay website shows this.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:16 PM
 
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Nassau County has COLA increases as well, the median base salary is higher in Nassau than in SJ. The SJ public employee pay website shows this.
but the top salary for a regular PO is lower in SJ

stop with the median..unless you really want to bring the fact of ages, longevity to the table

a medain of a younger force is surely to be less than a median of a older (more longevity, and maybe more higher ranking) force

fact the TOP BASE salary for a regular PO is 108k....barely a living wage in Nassau

it is quite DECEPTIVE to keep quoting a median salary OF COPS...and not divide it down to the difference between a regular PO and a captain or a sergeant

if I was to look at the median of all rookie cadets..the median would be 35k....
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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but the top salary for a regular PO is lower in SJ

stop with the median..unless you really want to bring the fact of ages, longevity to the table

a medain of a younger force is surely to be less than a median of a older (more longevity, and maybe more higher ranking) force

fact the TOP BASE salary for a regular PO is 108k....barely a living wage in Nassau

it is quite DECEPTIVE to keep quoting a median salary OF COPS...and not divide it down to the difference between a regular PO and a captain or a sergeant

if I was to look at the median of all rookie cadets..the median would be 35k....

The top base for a regular PO is not $108,000. That is the level after 8 years, but it isn't the top base. If that was the top base of a regular PO than how exactly is the median base over $116,000. You think we somehow have more Chiefs & LT's than regular PO.

Fact is Nassau cops are the highest paid in the county. Period
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The top base for a regular PO is not $108,000. That is the level after 8 years, but it isn't the top base. If that was the top base of a regular PO than how exactly is the median base over $116,000. You think we somehow have more Chiefs & LT's than regular PO.

Fact is Nassau cops are the highest paid in the county. Period
That's an important point because from what is indicated on the various websites it appears over half of the retirees are captains, lieutenants, sergeants, detectives so there is a good deal of progression beyond the base pay not to mention the various base pay increases like night differential, OT, Uniform allowance, holiday pay. Also there are increases for specialties like administering breathalyzers, marine, etc.
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