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Old 02-18-2011, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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why add the 'include cost of benies' in there

the median for all police (sergeants and captains too) is 115k,,including OT is 150k...a small cost for the lowest crime rate in the country
The cost of benefits were included to show the cost each officer has for the taxpayers. Highest paid cops in the entire country.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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uhm

the military is 70% at 30 years

most unions public and private are the same way
Federal service is approximately 60 % at 30 years at age 55 under the old CSRS system phased out beggining in the 1980's when they began a 401K type plan, military is similar, where did you get 70 % after 30 years for military?

What unon get 70% after 30 year in NYS, which Tier?
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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The cost of benefits were included to show the cost each officer has for the taxpayers. Highest paid cops in the entire country.
but any job is that way..its unrealistic

look joe works as a mechanic earning 40k a year..he has health insurance with it,,the job pays 3/4 he pays 1/4...his cost monthly 400 (200 a payperiod)...the jobs....1200 a month

meaning joe the mechanic makes 40k a year..50k with overtime..but if you add in (just the ONE bennie, not all the bennie) 64k

does joe make 64k.....no

but you seem to want to highlight that cops are making that.....why....what do you have against cops. smash

look I like you,, but your vendeta against cops, is kinda silly
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:50 PM
 
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Federal service is approximately 60 % at 30 years at age 55 under the old CSRS system phased out beggining in the 1980's when they began a 401K type plan, military is similar, where did you get 70 % after 30 years for military?

What unon get 70% after 30 year in NYS, which Tier?
the military is 50% at 20..70% at 30...has been since I joined in 1983 (I retired in 2005)

the military also get ADDITIONAL a TSP (unmatched)

as far as the fed side
CSRS (which did NOT contribute to SS, is gone..they all are retired now

under FERS, you have a 1% of the top 3 times the amount of years.....plus the TSP which is a matching TSP

I am retired miilitary and a working on my FERS retirement...2 pensions, plus ss
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:50 PM
 
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Newsday, WSJ & a few other sites have stated the median base salary is a little over $116,000, overall median salary (including OT) to be just shy of $150,000, including cost for benefits the median is $202,000.
Actually the WSJ quoted the median base as $107K for NCPD to be fair.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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but any job is that way..its unrealistic

look joe works as a mechanic earning 40k a year..he has health insurance with it,,the job pays 3/4 he pays 1/4...his cost monthly 400 (200 a payperiod)...the jobs....1200 a month

meaning joe the mechanic makes 40k a year..50k with overtime..but if you add in (just the ONE bennie, not all the bennie) 64k

does joe make 64k.....no

but you seem to want to highlight that cops are making that.....why....what do you have against cops. smash

look I like you,, but your vendeta against cops, is kinda silly
The taxpayer is not paying the Mechanic's salary, Nassau residents are paying the cops salary. I just pointed it out to show how much each cop costs the taxpayers of Nassau, nothing more or less.

Look, I have nothing against cops I have family who were cops (my Uncles is a retired NYC cop). However, fact of the matter is the county is in poor financial shape. We are in a position where everyone pretty much needs to make sacrifices. That includes the taxpayers as well as those in the county workforce. The reason why I am bringing up cops is due to the fact they make up the vast majority of the highest paid county employees, and its not even remotely close. The previous PBA contracts is a big reason why we are in the situation we are in.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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The taxpayer is not paying the Mechanic's salary, Nassau residents are paying the cops salary. I just pointed it out to show how much each cop costs the taxpayers of Nassau, nothing more or less.

Look, I have nothing against cops I have family who were cops (my Uncles is a retired NYC cop). However, fact of the matter is the county is in poor financial shape. We are in a position where everyone pretty much needs to make sacrifices. That includes the taxpayers as well as those in the county workforce. The reason why I am bringing up cops is due to the fact they make up the vast majority of the highest paid county employees, and its not even remotely close. The previous PBA contracts is a big reason why we are in the situation we are in.

but the business is paying , whom ever the worker, and whom ever the employeer...the taxpayers are paying to have a good, quality police force, able to protect the populas...why shouldnt the cops get the same perks (bennies) that anyother employee gets from any other employeer

the cost of the bennies is nothing...



so cut welfare

cut the extra long UE

cut the drains on the county

privatize the parks, or the libraries...but I certainly dont think you want privatized cops....or do you??
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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the military is 50% at 20..70% at 30...has been since I joined in 1983 (I retired in 2005)

the military also get ADDITIONAL a TSP (unmatched)

as far as the fed side
CSRS (which did NOT contribute to SS, is gone..they all are retired now

under FERS, you have a 1% of the top 3 times the amount of years.....plus the TSP which is a matching TSP

I am retired miilitary and a working on my FERS retirement...2 pensions, plus ss

OPM says for 30 years 66.5% for federal employees at 55 years of age and no bump in pension for OT and reduced or no SS for old CSRS there are still CSRS employees from the 1980's.

FERS is a combination of 401K, SS and some other goverment matching. System has been in place for almost 30 years and more controllable than some of the current systems.

The teachers in NYS , etc do not retire on 70% at 30 which union where you referring to.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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but the business is paying , whom ever the worker, and whom ever the employeer...the taxpayers are paying to have a good, quality police force, able to protect the populas...why shouldnt the cops get the same perks (bennies) that anyother employee gets from any other employeer

the cost of the bennies is nothing...



so cut welfare

cut the extra long UE

cut the drains on the county

privatize the parks, or the libraries...but I certainly dont think you want privatized cops....or do you??

The funding for the libraries generally does not come out of the county budget. The cost of the benefits are a little over $50,000 per cop, which is pretty much the highest in the nation as well.

Of course I do not want private cops, but some cuts can still occur. The idea that the argument is about some rollbacks will cause privatization of the police force is pretty silly. A cost to the taxpayer of $202,000 per cops is astronomical nothing else from county funds even comes close.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The top base for a regular PO is not $108,000. That is the level after 8 years, but it isn't the top base. If that was the top base of a regular PO than how exactly is the median base over $116,000. You think we somehow have more Chiefs & LT's than regular PO.

Fact is Nassau cops are the highest paid in the county. Period

Think about the numbers you quoted the base median is close to what the top end is at 8 years, what does that tell you? There are some very high end salaries to increase the median to the base pay to the top end. Most of the NCPD's base pay is well above the 8 year cap.
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