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State facts or don't state them at all!. Its 8 hours per donation.
This issue is relatively minoe compared to others in the contract but it's symptomatic of the of the larger problem. Ok so you're saying they give the cops an extra vacation day for every blood donation. Well who the heck gets that? And how is that justified?
Nassau's big financial problem is caused to a very signicant extent by union contracts. The cop's contract is the most egregious.
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That median crap is garbage. You couldn't live in a shed on the North Shore with the median pay. That prob takes into account people that make zip on welfare and don't have to worry bout bills. And the cops are not taking home 800,000 so don't spin. Remember taxes. Then deduct the salary from those that made 800,000 is your down to 600,000. Most of that was sick and vacation not used and would have been OT paid in all the years prior. Probably about 35 yrs for those guys. Well time for you to get up and make the donuts. The cops will be in soon
You're right! Don't forget about the darn taxes. Those cops are taking home only $600,000!
As I said before, you're attempting to defend the indefensible. Big changes have to be made in Nassau.
This issue is relatively minoe compared to others in the contract but it's symptomatic of the of the larger problem. Ok so you're saying they give the cops an extra vacation day for every blood donation. Well who the heck gets that? And how is that justified?
Nassau's big financial problem is caused to a very signicant extent by union contracts. The cop's contract is the most egregious.
You're right! Don't forget about the darn taxes. Those cops are taking home only $600,000!
As I said before, you're attempting to defend the indefensible. Big changes have to be made in Nassau.
I guess you selectivly read. The reason those things were put in the contract was so people would not use their sick and vacation time. So it saved money all the years prior. And you selectvly read the blood days again Not a vacation day , 8 hrs. Its just like Bloomberg and the city with the variable supplement bill. A deal was made to take the unions money as a trade in for the variable supplement bill of 12,000 bucks a years. Now its 25 yrs later and its like how do you guys have that nice addition to your pension. Well it was a contract , yeh a signed contract like you make to buy a house, that it was to be. Now Bloomy makes like its some extra quirk. Same with this , it was signed to save OT money on guys goin sick. And then pay for half the sick days back and the same for vacation days. So just cause your jealous because the crappy job you picked don't have it, to bad. I'll have a boston cream donut and light no sugar
Here again ragging on cops. You have the wrong info on Nassau median income. But you had alot of wrong info on the other thread. Goodnight seems to have a problem with cops. He was on another closed thread and thats all he referred to and will try to turn this into a cop bashing thread. Long Island Newsday is a rag that has bashed cops for over 25 yrs at least. Here basically is the real story from a real paper.
Just go to the thread on LI Civil Service salaries and pensions and see what transpired, or we can just re hash it all over again here
Yuppers. Hate to say I told y'all so but here it is parading in living color. These idiots cannot help but dump gasoline on a fire convinced they're right when they couldn't pass a freshmen level course economics, civics, or business administration.
Listen to most posters arguing the exact same viewpoint of Tea bots, you'd swear 90% of all American taxes must be paying salaries and pensions.
I agree with assistant, and the resignation. If they were telling me my revised job description was to play retarded games in a courtroom or dig a deeper hole, I'd resign too. Good for them! Character counts!
OT is fine, when its manageable. Some cops were making over $100,000 in OT alone, quite a few others $50,000+. That is quite a bit of excess.
Wading through all the lies, half truths and generous peppering of lame characterizations in this thread, we finally arrive at common sense and root causes. This funny money math must end no matter who's in office or which managerial ideology you or any other constituent choose to embrace. Moreover, blaming cops or teachers for the lack of leadership from county officials is another example of negating responsibility. Fiscal discipline taking a backseat to popularity contests and circus life grandstanding- everyone voting for that only had themselves to blame.
When the lions share of these over runs-- the OT-- exceeds the actual base salary so frequently, is this not an obvious sign to all that one of 3 things must happen? You will have to choose between reducing the services cops are obliged to provide justifying OT, OR hire lower level / temp. people to pick up that slack as catch can, OR a combinations of both under judicious scrutiny that minimizes the impact of quality reduction and maximizes taxpayer savings. If Gillibrand is the centrist she says she is, this is what you should be able to expect from Albany intervention. If she's not, or entrenched power mongering continues to dominate all, you won't. She was a student of Pataki and Spitzers mistakes. I'm very hopeful about her brand of reform even if my vote doesn't count anymore.
Suffolk county has the exact same problems, although in my experience corruption/ unethical behavior happens more frequently as tongue and cheek culture in Nassau Officials than I ever saw in Suffolk. Thanks to Newsday aiding and abetting. I'd be generous chalking it up to polly anna journalism if I didn't witness them first hand bury a major story behind a coupon page because they were buddies with a proprietor AKA perpetrator. An explosion rocking a neighborhood merits more than 5 sentences. SHAME! Shame especially to writing articles at an 8th grade level to counties with some of the highest levels of education in the nation. Way to dumb people down, Newsday! Talk about squandering taxpayer resources.
That median crap is garbage. You couldn't live in a shed on the North Shore with the median pay. That prob takes into account people that make zip on welfare and don't have to worry bout bills. And the cops are not taking home 800,000 so don't spin. Remember taxes. Then deduct the salary from those that made 800,000 is your down to 600,000. Most of that was sick and vacation not used and would have been OT paid in all the years prior. Probably about 35 yrs for those guys. Well time for you to get up and make the donuts. The cops will be in soon
Many people live off the median and do just fine. Fact of the matter is almost half of the cops on the force are making about $150,000. That is simply excessive, period. As far as the $800,000, some of the retiring Chiefs did make over $800,000. Yes, the vast majority of that was compensation. Mangano and his "infinite" wisdom decided to remove the compensation caps that were put in place during the Suozzi administration and go back to the Tom Gullota style governing in full force.
The current problems in a nutshell. Tea Party Governing + Republicans and their love affair with bloated PBA contracts and compensation.
Many people live off the median and do just fine. Fact of the matter is almost half of the cops on the force are making about $150,000. That is simply excessive, period. .
and yep you only look at it from one point
50% of the police are making LESS than that 150k
a PO starts off with a measly 35k
you need 125k just to be able to afford a house on LI,, unless you bought before the mid 90's( the current average price for a BASIC STARTER house on long island is 450k (with 10k or more in taxes))
who cares if a 'chief' made 800k...he has 30 years ON THE JOB
funny that you smash a hard left liberal would be so anti-union..you almost sound like a teaparty palinite
you need 125k just to be able to afford a house on LI,, unless you bought before the mid 90's( the current average price for a BASIC STARTER house on long island is 450k (with 10k or more in taxes))
who cares if a 'chief' made 800k...he has 30 years ON THE JOB
funny that you smash a hard left liberal would be so anti-union..you almost sound like a teaparty palinite
You do not need $125,000 to buy a home on Long Island. The basic starter home is no where near $450,000 anymore (perhaps not far off in 05 and 06, but not now) In fact that is higher than the median home value.
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- According to the Multiple Listing Service of Long Island, Inc. (MLSLI), the December 2010 closed median home price on Long Island, which includes Nassau, Suffolk, and Queens sales, was $360,000, compared to $355,000 last year. Suffolk and Queens reported an increase in closed median home prices while Nassau County reported a $397,000 closed median home price, which was slightly lower than $400,000 reported in December 2009. Suffolk County reported a closed median of $327,000 for December, which was 0.6 percent higher than $325,000 reported a year ago. In Queens, the closed median home price was $358,610, representing a 5.5 percent increase over $339,888 reported last December.
I'm certainly not anti-Union, I'm against excessiveness, which the PBA has a ton of. Half the cops on the force making $150,000 is excessive. Removing compensation caps that result in having some chiefs taking home $800,000+ when they leave the force (not including their pensions) is excessive
All these BS stats from BS research from BS agencies from (I have nightmares about people making more than me all) Go-odnight long. I live in a middle class area and no one here is making the median to survive here.
I would hope that someone with your handle would be more interested in getting the facts but I guess its at the point where you have nothing left but insults. I know BS facts from agencies like the department of labor and NCPD reported salary and overtime information. Please feel free to share some of the sources of your "facts".
you need 125k just to be able to afford a house on LI,, unless you bought before the mid 90's( the current average price for a BASIC STARTER house on long island is 450k (with 10k or more in taxes))
A starter house on LI is $450K what neighborhood is that?
Tell me where the people making $50-60K live becuse they are obviously surviving.
Many people live off the median and do just fine. Fact of the matter is almost half of the cops on the force are making about $150,000. That is simply excessive, period. As far as the $800,000, some of the retiring Chiefs did make over $800,000. Yes, the vast majority of that was compensation. Mangano and his "infinite" wisdom decided to remove the compensation caps that were put in place during the Suozzi administration and go back to the Tom Gullota style governing in full force.
The current problems in a nutshell. Tea Party Governing + Republicans and their love affair with bloated PBA contracts and compensation.
You just keep repeating yourself. I'll have a flatbread egg sandwich and another light no sugar
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