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"Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as "the president who lost Iran," which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled. The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara."
The article goes on to say that at least Jimmy Carter preached human rights and Obama's predecessor George W Bush made blunt calls for democracy and freedom where as Obama thinks the main problem in the Middle East is Israeli occupation. His failure in that area made him back off and concentrate on preventing Israel and Iran from going to war.
There's a lot more in the article about whether Obama could do anything. To be fair, I heard a few people on Fox News say Obama is handling what's happening in Egypt now, correctly and this article is more about the lead up to what's going on now, in Egypt.
I believe the ink is drying as we speak on that chapter of history. Just like Carter lost Iran.
It is ALWAYS only a matter of time a horrible foreign policy comes back to bite us in the back. It did with Cuba, it did with Iran, it did with Iraq, it did with Afghanistan, it is doing with Pakistan. Add Egypt and Yemen to that count.
And, Israel should be scared, very scared. A free Egypt is not in its best interest.
Why should the Israelis fear a free Egypt, will the Egyptian people launch a war on Israel?
Israel might get testy and launch a pre-emptive strike. :
Israel launch a nuclear first strike at Egypt, a nation on its own border with a capital just to the west a few miles? BUAHAHAHAHAHA yeah, there wouldn't be any fallout carried on the winds that would blow it right back into Israel. I kind of doubt the Israeli's are that stupid.
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The United States should only intervene in Israeli foreign policy when another country declares war on Israel. Then, as their ally, we would help to defend Israel.
Terrorism is a police matter. Let Israel worry about its own borders and security.
What happens if Israel declares war on another nation, are we still obligated to come charging to their rescue to pull their fat out of the fire? I mean Turkey for instance is a NATO ally and Israel isn't, by treaty we would be obligated to fight on behalf of Turkey against Israel. Not that it would ever happen but just pointing out that things aren't really as clear as they first appear.
The enemies of our allies are taking notes to see how to overthrow a government. If it is as easy as starting riots in the streets, to get 0bama to abandon his allies, look for more of the same.
The enemies of our allies???
The people of Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen, are our enemies?
That is the kind of screwed up thinking that makes allies into enemies.
Perhaps had the U.S. chosen wisely during the Iranian revolution, Iran would not be our "enemy" today, something that could be applied to a number of other countries, most notably, Vietnam, and any number of Latin and South American countries as well.
A Egypt free of outside control and operating as a free republic is in everyone's best interest. We should use our doplomatic influence to help that end. We should keep our Army at home.
Egypt, like the other countries in the world, was never ours to lose. We are NOT entirely corporations and financiers. Their fate is dependant on their own business skills and, AFAIAC, are on their own.
I think you missed the context of want is meant by "losing" Egypt, we may well be losing Egypt as an ally in the world.
What is, or has been, 0bama's relationship with the Egyptian people and Mubarak, and how do the Egyptian people interpret it?
Have the people of Egypt formed the opinion that 0bama has been fully supportive of Mubarak, while ignoring the plight of the people, or do they think the the US has been highly critical of the dictator-like manner in which Mubarak has been suppressing the people?
It's important to the Egyptians whether or not our president supports them, or if he will just support whoever is in control of their country. Being a supporter of freedom and basic human rights, means you support what is in the best interest for the people, not just supporting the current thug in control over them. Mubarak was not what was best for the people of Egypt.
The people of Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen, are our enemies?
That is the kind of screwed up thinking that makes allies into enemies.
Perhaps had the U.S. chosen wisely during the Iranian revolution, Iran would not be our "enemy" today, something that could be applied to a number of other countries, most notably, Vietnam, and any number of Latin and South American countries as well.
did i say "the people of Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen, are our enemies"? No, I did not. Now try to think before you go off on a rant.
I believe the ink is drying as we speak on that chapter of history. Just like Carter lost Iran.
Let me ask you since Laura has declined to answer:
If you are willing to place blame, then are you willing to give credit? If Egypt gains a moderate president through democratic elections, then will you say that Obama goes down as the president who brought democracy to Egypt? Will you do that, or will you only blame him in case it turns ugly?
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