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Old 01-31-2011, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Ahh, another one. So you thought we actually own Egypt too.
Did you check into this thread just to take pot-shots or do you actually have a point to make relevant to the discussion. If so, I'd like to hear it.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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Of course not, he supports the dictator and not the people. If he pulled an about face simply because the side he supported is deposed, it would be completely artificial and opportunistic. That is like me rooting for the Patriots all season long, then at the Superbowl having them lose to the Giants (heh), then abandoning the Patriots to support the Giants. I only changed loyalties because the latter emerged victorious. Claiming I contributed to the Giants victory in some way by supporting their opponent would be ludicrous. Same concept applies here.
I always thought Obama's job was to get the best outcome for American interests.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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I always thought Obama's job was to get the best outcome for American interests.
So you believe supporting the dictator until he is deposed, then claiming credit for bringing democracy to Eygpt is the "best outcome for American interests"?
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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I always thought Obama's job was to get the best outcome for American interests.

I always thought that America was SUPPOSED to be the vanguard of freedom.

What makes you think a free Egypt isn't in the best imterest of America?
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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How exactly would you like the US government to intervene?
I don't want the US government to intervene, I would hope our government continues to appeal to people in Egypt for a peaceful resolution to the situation. Sometimes you have to let the chips fall where they may and carry on with what results.

Much of the reason the people are revolting against Mubarak is because many in Egypt see him as a paid for dictator with the US and Israel behind the curtain pulling the strings and whether true or not, this is how he is perceived. For the US to intervene, even on the side of pro-democracy types would be seen as the US meddling in the affairs of people who have an honest desire to govern themselves and I believe this would be counter productive.

Despite the chatter about the Muslim Brotherhood, it seems the consensus (as best as there is at the moment) that if there were elections, the best they would do is 20-25%, so concerns that this will be the next government is are a bit exaggerated. Watching Al Jazeera and RT feeds, a large number of protesters I saw were chanting, "The people and the army are one", which seems to indicate as others here have pointed out that the military has a good deal of support from the people and both groups are eying Elbaradi as a possible interim leader, which I think is a positive thing. I'm willing to bet the US government would be pleased to see Elbaradi as an interim leader as well.

Yes there are a lot of concerns over what may happen when the dust settles but right now the biggest source of opposition to this revolt and the largest support for Mubarak is coming from Israel. After all, the US tax payer has been paying for Israel's peace and security with Egypt for 30 years, of course they are worried.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:11 PM
 
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President Obama didn't "lose" Egypt any more than President Truman "lost" China (as though we ever "had" either of those countries in the first place!)

By the standard applied by the OP the question needs to be asked:

Did Nixon lose Viet Nam?
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The country of Egypt has been our ally, if it becomes a theocratic state, which is hostile to the West, then we will have lost an ally. Or did you think we thought we freaking owned Egypt?
The people of Egypt will determine the outcome, I don't think they care that we are an ally. Mubarak appears to be yet another corrupt administration that the US has supported through 30 years and several presidents for out own interests. He has done little to support democracy or the poor.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If you want to know why Americans are disliked by so many around the world, you need only look at the American state of mind that actually has the arogance to suggest that other sovereign nation are America's to lose...or win for that matter. Why can we never get it in our mind that we do NOT own and control the entire world?
Geez, how many of you people are there anyway? When you "lose a friend", does that mean you used to freaking own them?
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Egypt belongs to Egypt. It is not our's to lose or win.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And if it continues to be an ally while becoming a democracy, then will you credit Obama for it? Or not?

You still have not answered my earlier question. None of you Obama bashers have. Here is the question one more time: will you credit Obama for a positive outcome in Egypt, or are you only going to blame him if the outcome is negative?
What exactly do you think 0bama is doing that would credit him with ownership of the eventual outcome that occurs in Egypt? Whether the outcome is good, or bad, how exactly do you think the president of our country has any control over it?
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