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Old 02-01-2011, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Nothing, they have Medicaid or they can find motivation within themselves to get a healthcare policy; nothing in life is free.
I watched this 30ish yr old woman in a convenient store yesterday complaining about not having a "free healthcare" service, she was about 5'2", 95 lbs, ratty clothes, unclean, with a cigarette dangling from one hand (coughing her ass off) and a 44oz beer in the other, at noon (yeah, I profiled her). This may not be the norm but it is definitely a percentage of types of people who will do nothing but hold their hand out for their entire life waiting for others to give them something they feel is an entitlement. How much are those smokes? How about that beer? No thank you, I would rather those folks chose to use their money on healthcare or their sickly habits, it’s their choice because they are free to choose.
One the other hand, Congress has unconstitutionally chosen to force the working class (plus) to pay for the shortcomings of those who make poor life decisions. I agree with many here, if you can afford a cell phone, cable TV, or a car note but not healthcare then you have chosen to put your healthcare on a lower priority than entertainment or luxury items and you should be held accountable to suffer the consequences not me.
Walk the walk because talk is cheap. (as we all see here on “City Data”)

A huge problem in this counrty is too many people want to get into everyone else's business and fix their lives. When we start to fix our own and can no longer find personal shortcomings then maybe I can look at my neighbor to "OFFER" assistance, not force my other neighbor to give it!.
The way things are, when that woman you saw in the convenience store goes to the emergency room.......you and I are paying for it. That ER visit is FREE for her, because WE pay for it. Why not force her to buy insurance if she has enough income to do so? Why would you rather enable her to buy her beer and cigs and use our money to pay for her when she gets sick?
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Why don't the folks who like this ridiculously retarded health care law have an opt-in clause? Why force others to join their utopia? There aren't enough people who like ObamaCare? Because you need to "spread the risk".

Hmm....spread...where have I heard that before? Oh yeah: "spread the wealth" LOL.
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:32 AM
 
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The way things are, when that woman you saw in the convenience store goes to the emergency room.......you and I are paying for it. That ER visit is FREE for her, because WE pay for it. Why not force her to buy insurance if she has enough income to do so? Why would you rather enable her to buy her beer and cigs and use our money to pay for her when she gets sick?
How do you force her???

She very likely pays no taxes.
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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So just stop giving free care to people who don't qualify for it! That would force them to take responsibility for their own well-being. If they take their chances and lose, that's no one's fault but their own.
That would be nice, but hospitals are MANDATED to provide care to everyone, insured or not.

And......you will never get anyone to change it.

So, let's at least force people who can afford insurance to buy it.....instead of getting free hopsital care at the policy holder's expense.....I see nothing wrong with that.
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:41 AM
 
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That would be nice, but hospitals are MANDATED to provide care to everyone, insured or not.

And......you will never get anyone to change it.

So, let's at least force people who can afford insurance to buy it.....instead of getting free hopsital care at the policy holder's expense.....I see nothing wrong with that.
Again, how would you do that???
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:41 AM
 
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How is a person that lives on the streets going to pay for this? So, no matter the situation...you and I will still be paying for their ER visit?
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Again, how would you do that???
Why, that's easy. Just use the ol' trusty IRS. Don't use a scalpel, use a broadsword!
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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I'm glad the insurance companies lobbying efforts paid off. As I'm invested in a few of them, it;s good to know they can still gouge people and make a good profit. I benefit from that.

This is FANTASTIC NEWS!!!!

LOVE YOU INSURANCE COMPANY~~~ WE WIN!!!

$2.4 trillion worth of W1N!!!!!!



Just like these folks. They won, too.

Their house survived Ike, but it's the only one left - CNN.com
Insurance companies aren't problem, excessive charges are. Insurance CO don't charge people, they help make the payments. We don't get all bent out of shape with insurance COs when the auto shop has charged you $10.000 for a fender-bender. The hospitals, clinics and medical suppliers are the ones driving up cost but congress can't do anything about that, (because that is capitalism) they chose to target and vilify insurance COs. They chose to regulate, unfairly, how insurance COs operate to a point that will drive them out leaving the one system that is self-regulated, the US government.
This (unread) mess that Congress approved then our POTUS signed into law was never meant to give healthcare to those who cannot afford it. It was tossed together to regulate insurance COs, to regulate the very hands that feeds those who cannot afford the cost of their medical bills. Instead of real reform, which is the cost of medical services, congress chose the easier target, the visible target, the target that they can regulate. So they can tangle a monster in front of the less intelligent citizens of the US and say “Here is the monster, we caught it and we now control it. Your lives will be better because this thing is under our command”. What you don’t see is the real monster.
Hopefully the Judicial Branch of our government will stop the real monster, socialism.

URSA? (United Republic States of America???)
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:46 AM
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How do you force her???

She very likely pays no taxes.
Good point - and under obamacare she likely gets free or heavily subsidized coverage, so we're still paying for her either way. Maybe a little less, I'm not sure if it's cheaper to give 100 people free insurance, or give a small percentage of the 100 free treatment...

I can somewhat see giving an unqualified person free treatment once, but why are we such suckers to give it to them over and over?
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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How do you force her???

She very likely pays no taxes.
Then she is probably already a welfare Ma Ma........ with free health care......a totally different mess that also needs a major overhaul.

We are talking about people that have enough income to buy healthcare, but prefer not to.......because they would rather buy luxuries instead and stick others with the cost of their medical care.
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