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You're right Casper. It wasn't you who is attempting to paint the Muslim Brotherhood as moderate. My apology.
It's this one:
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Originally Posted by TnHilltopper
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After spending a day or so catching up on the history of Muslim Brotherhood, they seem to be a mixed bag. However, since they are obvious a pro-Muslim group, this puts them at odds with US and Israel and to most, makes them evil incarnate.
Well, "catch up" on this: Muslim Brotherhood 'declares war' on U.S.
In the words of a senior leader of the MB just a few months ago:
In a sermon published Sept. 30 titled "How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny [against the Muslims]," Badi said waging jihad against both Israel and the United States is a commandment of Allah that cannot be disregarded.
The remarks were delivered in a weekly sermon, published Sept. 30 on the Muslim Brotherhood's website and translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute.
Governments trying to stop Muslims from fighting the U.S., he said, "are disregarding Allah's commandment to wage jihad for His sake with [their] money and [their] lives, so that Allah's word will reign supreme" over all non-Muslims.
You're right Casper. It wasn't you who is attempting to paint the Muslim Brotherhood as moderate. My apology.
It's this one:
(chuckling) "this one" I like that, I really do.
I'm not attempting to paint them as anything, I merely offered an alternative view of them as indicated by the Nixon Center, a right leaning think tank who happens to disagree with you.
Personally, I couldn't care all that much because, and this is really going to get you in a twist, the US government is already talking with members of the Muslim Brotherhood. So the US government is apparently believes they will be at some level involved with the process, whether you or I think anything to the contrary.
On what basis does it stand to reason and by using what evidence?
Do you dismiss Mohamed ElBaradei, the former UN weapons inspector who was a Nobel Peace laureate for his work with the U.N. nuclear agency?
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Originally Posted by TnHilltopper
After spending a day or so catching up on the history of Muslim Brotherhood, they seem to be a mixed bag. However, since they are obvious a pro-Muslim group, this puts them at odds with US and Israel and to most, makes them evil incarnate.
The Muslim Brotherhood works a different angle of the jihad than other jihadist groups. Theirs is a stealth jihad and their aim is to sabotage the west's miserable house from within. To this extent they publicly renounce violence so they can make greater inroads through the political process. Don't be fooled though. Their end game goal is the same as all the jihadists: dar-al-islam over the entire world and with the Sharia as its law.
It looks like the MB will back ElBaradei and try to gain control through him. It is still early though and they may try to take direct control. However, in Egypt they are known as extremists and taking outright control through overt means may be impossible. ElBaradei would make a nice puppet as his agenda and theirs are more closely alligned than most people know.
Israel is number 11 on a list of top military strengths in the world the only other Middle eastern country in the top 10 is Turkey. Iran Eygpt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, amoung top 30 ,The day the US unleashes Israel on the Middle east is the day our problems with that part of the world are over. I would expect anyone else who wanted cheap oil would side with Israel. Most of the trouble spots are bordered by three of the top military powers in the world who are strong Allies to the US. That is probably not a coinscidence. World Military Strength Ranking
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Reason: include Iran in top 30
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. However, in Egypt they are known as extremists and taking outright control through overt means may be impossible. ElBaradei would make a nice puppet as his agenda and theirs are more closely alligned than most people know.
In Egypt they are not seen as extremist, you are simply wrong. Elbaradei might make a nice puppet for the Muslim Brotherhood but the same could be said that he would make a good puppet for the United States.
Mohamed ElBaradei actually makes me laugh a bit because most of the people in this very thread have quoted him when making arguments against Iran when he stated that he believed Iran was hiding its nuclear program. When ElBaradei said this, most of the posters in this thread applauded him and said, "see see look Iran is..." Of course now he is in a different role so over night, he has become some kind of boogyman and it is hilarious because I suspect many of the posters can't keep the players straight and just dig the remote recesses of the internet to find whatever bits and pieces fit their position, never even paying attention to names.
Oh please, the same UN watchdog that said Iran was peachy and weren't trying to build a nuclear bomb. Yeah, Iran, the very ones that support the Muslim Brotherhood right along with this douchebag.
Too bad that the IAEA under el Baradei has never indicated that Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program was "peachy". What el Baradei did say was that IAEA had not found any evidence that Iran is in the process of developing a nuclear weapons program and has invited the United States to provide any such evidence if such evidence exists. Pretty much the same challenge that the UN inspectors under Hans Blix offered to the Bush administration when it unequivocally stated that it had evidence of Iraq wmd program but refused to share such evidence with the UN's inspectors.
What the IAEA under el Barbaradei has stated is that:
"We have information that there has been maybe some studies about possible weaponization. That's why we have said that we cannot give Iran a pass right now, because there is still a lot of question marks ... . But have we seen Iran having the nuclear material that can readily be used into a weapon? No. Have we seen an active weaponization program? No."
October 2007, International Harold Tribune
In September 2009, IAEA Director General Mohamed El Baradei that Iran had broken the law by not disclosing its second uranium enrichment site at Qom sooner. Nevertheless, he said, the United Nations did not have credible evidence that Iran had an operational nuclear program.
As of today, not one shred of evidence has been presented that Iran is in actual violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty a treaty which Iran can at anytime renounce. Does this mean that the IAEA or former Secretary General el Barbardei do not harbor suspicions regarding Iran's nuclear program, clearly not. But the IAEA is not governed by suspicions but rather international law which requires proof, proof which as yet does not exist. If that is a declaration that all is right with Iran's nuclear program... well see Hilltoppers appropriate response above.
Hmmm...
Why is it that those who have been sanitizing the Iranian regime for years are now sanitizing the Muslim Brotherhood...
Just wondering...
Perhaps because injecting facts might make for a more reasoned and intelligent discussion under the belief that a rational and informed debate, which was absent in 2003, might prevent the needless loss of American lives and treasure.
I don't know what the point of the thread is...awareness maybe? We all know there are Muslim extremist and there is certainly a chance that Egypt could become a home to them, and there is a chance that they will not and end up more like Turkey.
Having said that. It is their decision and not ours. Part of being a democratic country is the ability to decide what type of government that you want. It is past time for the U.S. to quit nation building. We need to retrench and focus on the viability of our own country.
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