The HC repeal and Senate (legal, attorney, state, propaganda)

[ahzzie]

"Two other district courts, one in Lynchburg, Va. and another in Detroit, issued decisions upholding the law in cases that also brought constitutional challenges. "

I guess some people don't read or aren't aware of national events. There are a lot of people who think the Florida judge's ruling has any immediate effect on this law.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by ahzzie

"Two other district courts, one in Lynchburg, Va. and another in Detroit, issued decisions upholding the law in cases that also brought constitutional challenges. "

I guess some people don't read or aren't aware of national events. There are a lot of people who think the Florida judge's ruling has any immediate effect on this law.

Nope we are aware of it...that is 2 against 2 now...

If you think the Florida law does not have an immediate effect, please telll us why....

[GreenGene]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

You can speculate and I can speculate...we can do this for days....

Fact, Harry Reid said it would not come up for a vote...

If the Republicans had the nerve to send a stand-alone bill to the Senate, Reid would have been right. Silly Reid, he should have known the GOP didn't have the guts to set up an up-or-down vote in the Senate on the health care bill. I suspect there will be lots of this coming out of the House for the next two years.

Originally Posted by chucksnee

You cannot reform something that already has well over 700 waivers to it. I also believe it can be done with less than 2700 pages...a few hundred at the most....and lets leave all the BS out of it...

'Mini-med' health plan waivers top 700: HHS | Business Insurance

From the article you linked to (just in case you didn't catch it):

Under the health care reform law, low-wage employees might qualify for government-subsidized coverage that will be available from insurers offering coverage through new state insurance exchanges starting in 2014, reducing the need for mini-med plans.

Until then, mini-med plan providers can obtain waivers from the required minimum annual benefit in situations where meeting those requirements would result in a significant decrease in access to benefits or significantly increase premiums, HHS said.

The waivers are temporary - each waiver is good for one year only, and all waivers end in 2014.

[GreenGene]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

If you think the Florida law does not have an immediate effect, please telll us why....

Perhaps the ruling itself?

For all the reasons stated above and pursuant to Rule 56 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, the plaintiffs’ motion for summary judgment (doc. 80) is hereby GRANTED as to its request for declaratory relief on Count I of the Second Amended Complaint, and DENIED as to its request for injunctive relief;

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...SON_HEALTH.pdf

It's going ... eventually ... to the Supreme Court.

[vsmoove]

Originally Posted by monkeywrenching

just defund it until the scotus makes a ruling on it.

What exactly would you de-fund?

[vsmoove]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

Nope we are aware of it...that is 2 against 2 now...

If you think the Florida law does not have an immediate effect, please telll us why....

Ummm... no immediate effect because no injunction and this was a terribly thought out opinion... based on this guy's logic, no unfunded federal mandate is constitutional.... he's an absurd jurist. This will be an interesting SC case... I expect a 6-3 ruling in favor.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by GreenGene

If the Republicans had the nerve to send a stand-alone bill to the Senate, Reid would have been right. Silly Reid, he should have known the GOP didn't have the guts to set up an up-or-down vote in the Senate on the health care bill. I suspect there will be lots of this coming out of the House for the next two years.



From the article you linked to (just in case you didn't catch it):

Under the health care reform law, low-wage employees might qualify for government-subsidized coverage that will be available from insurers offering coverage through new state insurance exchanges starting in 2014, reducing the need for mini-med plans.

Until then, mini-med plan providers can obtain waivers from the required minimum annual benefit in situations where meeting those requirements would result in a significant decrease in access to benefits or significantly increase premiums, HHS said.

The waivers are temporary - each waiver is good for one year only, and all waivers end in 2014.

I was not aware that the House could set up a vote in the Senate? Must be a new law...

Oh I guess you mean, the same tactics the dems used...add a bill on to something to get their way....turn about is fair play...

Ah yes...temporary waivers....do you really believe those 140+ labor unions who have waivers are "only" going to be temporary?

[vsmoove]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

Ah yes...temporary waivers....do you really believe those 140+ labor unions who have waivers are "only" going to be temporary?

By law, they are temporary and must end by 2014. Since Republicans will be in power for a long time, surely you don't think they would support an extension of the waiver in the law, do you?

[d4g4m]

The Florida judge ruled that ALL of the Obamacare is unconstitutional and therefor not a law and any actions that has already been activated should be reversed. No further implementation of Obamacare should go forward.
If there is additional movement, it would be contempt of court and any one of the 26 state attorneys general should go back to the judge and ask for an injuction to stop Obamacare while its going through the court process.
In the mean time, the Republicans in the Senate and the House should introduce a bill every week to stop/defund Obamacare to see who will or will not vote for or against the bills.

[Casper in Dallas]

[quote=chucksnee;17679513]You can speculate and I can speculate...we can do this for days....

Fact, Harry Reid said it would not come up for a vote...

Dick Durbin Admits Senate May Face Health Care Repeal Vote (VIDEO)

Now it is...

You cannot reform something that already has well over 700 waivers to it. I also believe it can be done with less than 2700 pages...a few hundred at the most....and lets leave all the BS out of it...

I also believe most people want it reformed...but again, lets start over...and how about this...lets KNOW WHATS IN IT BEFORE IT BECOMES A LAW....
So why not reform it and stop with the repeal effort which is doomed to begin with?
'Mini-med' health plan waivers top 700: HHS | Business Insurance

Why would anyone be interested in working with anyone....when they were shut out completely? I don't want to hear that obama tried to work with the republicans the first 3 months of his term either...even if he did, he put the republicans in the "back of the bus" for over 21 months...They are sitting up front now, right where everyone can see their actions, time for both sides to get over their partisan politics and get something done.




You do remember November, right?The elections are now in the past and what counts is what is done going forward. Four years ago the Dems took it all and two years later the Repubs took part of it back, over the next two years many things can and will change but if the record comes down to having done nothing the voters will not be open to more promises by either side, and the balance of power will be shifted once again.[/quote]
Casper