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Old 02-01-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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Some of the neocons in Bush's administration like Stephen Hadley and David Frum wanted to get rid of Mubarak in order to spread democracy to Egypt. Bush and Mubarak didn't get along (unlike Bush and Musharraf, but that's another story). However Bush refused to do anything to upset a useful US ally no matter how dictatorial.
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:57 PM
 
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What was wrong?

We found mass graves, children in jail by the thousands, they did find chemicals of mass destruction, tons of yellow cake and they were ready to start their nuke program back up.

Also the League of Nations...whoops, United Nations blocked anyone from coming in for 11 months so Iraq had those months to move stuff around or away.

If you knew 11 months in advance that you were going to have your house searched by the FBI and had an illegal gun would you?
Move the gun?
Keep the gun there and get busted?

All through this Iran has also been a problem which was allowed to happen when Carter brought the Theocracy back to Iran. Good move Jimmy.

Who would ever think the brother peeing on the runway would do less damage to our country than his brother the President?
What was wrong? The US is responsible for the Kurd uprising which ultimately led to their deaths. See post #12.
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:32 PM
 
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They DID try that, with the Kurds. Then they left the Kurds to kick turds down the road (has a nice ring, don't it ) and Saddam went all genocidal on them after Gulf War 1.
Actually the genocide, if it can be called that, occurred in 1975-76 and in 1988. Saddam was compelled to accept a de facto independent Kurdistan after Gulf War 1; it was in the "northern no-fly zone."

Whether Saddam's actions before then amounted to a genocide is dubious. What is clear is that he committed war crimes by the use of chemical weapons in cities which were then in revolt against his government. But there was never a Hitlerian "final solution" which envisioned the annihilation of all Kurds in Iraq.

Furthermore, the Kurdish uprisings were strictly national and secessionist in character and largely bankrolled by Iran. They were not a mass movement of all Iraqis. To equate them with the current events in Egypt does not make a ton of sense.
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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We did support the Kurds to revolt against Saddam during the Reagan administration but we bailed out on them causing their mass execution by Saddam.
Actually, that was the Ford adminstration. The Reagan administration was very cozy with Saddam.
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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If Bush were smart he would have engineered an Egypt-style internal popular revolt to bring about regime change instead of sacrificing 6,000 young, vital Americans and $590,000,000,000.00

He could have done it with the CIA, State Department, DoD PsyOps and a little ingenuity.
He almost certainly could not have. Saddam ran a police state that makes Egypt look like Disneyland. And we're not yet 100% sure how Egypt will turn out.

That misses the point anyway: Iraq was never a threat to the United States. THAT is why the war was wrong, not because there was an immediate prospect of domestic regime change.
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:39 PM
 
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Iraq had nothing to do with Egypt's uprising. Tunisia is what sparked the change in Egypt. Who knows where it will happen next.

I do know that China is banning the word "Egypt" from Internet searches...
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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He almost certainly could not have. Saddam ran a police state that makes Egypt look like Disneyland. And we're not yet 100% sure how Egypt will turn out.
Wrong.

The CIA has been dealing with police states for many decades.

America has dealt with all kinds of police states for even longer.

If Saddam was so strong, why did his people turn on him after only a few weeks?
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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That was tried and Saddam killed them. Anymore bright ideas?
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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Wrong.

The CIA has been dealing with police states for many decades.

America has dealt with all kinds of police states for even longer.

If Saddam was so strong, why did his people turn on him after only a few weeks?
When did they turn on him? After the first Gulf War and Saddam killed them all? Or after he was already out of power and he couldn't do anything?
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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What was wrong? The US is responsible for the Kurd uprising which ultimately led to their deaths. See post #12.
You people are so disgusting with you pro murder anti-American attitude. The US killed those people? What about the people who ACTUALLY did it? You want to befriend those types?
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