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Making statements without reading the article makes you loose any cediability you might have had,
According to the article, "That purchase was legal"
I read the article, and I quote:
Quote:
The investigators participating in the mayor’s videotaped episode bought three guns, two of them after telling the Arizona sellers that they probably could not pass a federal background check. Such checks are not required for private sales, but private sellers are forbidden from selling to people they reasonably suspect could not pass a federal background check.
So if someone says to you, "I probably couldn't pass the background check anyway", isn't that reasonable suspicion?
I feel that I am not loosing [sic] cediability [sic].
Your statement is wrong. Go back and read the article.
Pay attention.
From the NYT article:
Aides to the mayor said that private detectives who were former law enforcement officers carried out the video investigations, not current police officers.
You can not obtain or hold a license as a private detective if you can not pass a background check.
That is not necessarily true, here in the State of NC in a private sell the law states that in a private sell the seller must conform to the laws that the buyer can possess a firearm. So private buys aren't a free for all. Does it happen, sure it does...but overall law abiding responsible firearm owners don't sell to thugs, etc.... It just simply doesn't happen.
You can't sell firearms on CL or anything of the like. You can sell them on the internet but they have to be shipped to an FFL dealer.
You are trying to paint to wide of strokes with your brush and it just isn't so.
I think the biggest problem is that gun laws are not even across the country. In Arizona, you can easily buy an arsenal at gun shows without ever passing a background check. I don't think that should be possible, but I'm not sure how we'd go about stopping it without forbidding private sales. Do we want to go that far? I don't think so.
It is NOT a loophole. People selling private property whether a gun or a knife piece of furniture do NOT have to follow the same rules a licensed dealer.
Emphasis on private property.
When I sell my car, I have to follow the law. I don't see why guns should be any different. Private property or not.
I think the biggest problem is that gun laws are not even across the country. In Arizona, you can easily buy an arsenal at gun shows without ever passing a background check. I don't think that should be possible, but I'm not sure how we'd go about stopping it without forbidding private sales. Do we want to go that far? I don't think so.
If you attend a gun show in ANY State and you purchase through an FFL dealer, you have to complete a 4473 and dealers are encouraged to run the buyer through a NICS check. There is no way around the 4473 with a FFL holder.
Again, responsible firearms owners don't play by the rules that are being layed out here. They have a sense of pride (for lack of a better word) to not
do anything to tarnish the rights of the 2A.
The ones who would sell to any average joe, could careless about any laws, regulations etc.....and you will never be able to legislate morality. And that is what it boils down to.
So if someone says to you, "I probably couldn't pass the background check anyway", isn't that reasonable suspicion?
I feel that I am not loosing [sic] cediability [sic].
Not quite that simple. The NICS records are so hopelessly poor that people routinely get denied wrongly, then have to go through a costly/invasive/lengthy appeals process. There's also delays and a 3 day delay could mean the gun show is over first...
I think the biggest problem is that gun laws are not even across the country. In Arizona, you can easily buy an arsenal at gun shows without ever passing a background check. I don't think that should be possible, but I'm not sure how we'd go about stopping it without forbidding private sales. Do we want to go that far? I don't think so.
Such laws only impact the law abiding. The criminals would continue to buy and sell when and where and how they wish, and you'd never know about it. I could go out right now and sell a gun to someone if I wanted to, and who would know I did it? You can't have police watching our every move, so such a law would be worthless.
If I ever sell one of my guns, it will be through a local gun shop that handles consignment sales unless I happen to know the buyer. I've bought and sold guns with friends and family without checking their driver's license to determine if they meet residency requirements - I'll admit that. I didn't ask if they had any felonies that would prevent them from owning a gun.
Yes there is a small percentage of people who don't care who they sell a gun to. I don't think that a registry will help. A criminal will remove the serial number if they don't want it traced back to their supplier. It takes 30 seconds to do that. What about guns that have changed hands many time? I have some Rugers from the mid '60's that have probably had a dozen owners.
Not quite that simple. The NICS records are so hopelessly poor that people routinely get denied wrongly, then have to go through a costly/invasive/lengthy appeals process. There's also delays and a 3 day delay could mean the gun show is over first...
NICS records poor? Not hardly....
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