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Old 02-04-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Eleanora1 View Post
Just remember people. ALL life is sacred. As long as that life is in someone else's uterus. When the baby is out of the uterus it can drop dead. Because pro-life Republicans firmly believe that a fetus is innocent but the rest us are guilty and deserve to drop dead if we do not have medical insurance.
its too bad that liberals cant figure out that insurance is NOT care

get rid of insurance and government involvment and you will see the costs come down
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The solution is that they will have shorter lifespans. This will save a tremendous amount of money.
Is that you Grayson?
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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5. Republicans have no solution when it comes to paying for this UHC. Their mantra of personal responsibility just means that they are okay with taxpayers and the insured to pay for those who cannot. They clearly do not accept the concept that, if everyone is covered then everyone should pay.
I have yet to see a liberal say everyone should pay..they only want the taxpayers (about 1/3 of the country) to pay for all
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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Here's another good answer.

The federal government takes 42% of your earnings. End of story, and you get health care, and your taxes paid. (42% btw would be the average tax paid by a european citizen).
Yes, and I can wait in line behind all the illegals so many want to give amnesty to, and fund everyone's abortions and sex change operations. Think I'll pass.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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Hey. Minor correction: Medicare is for disabled and/or elderly. Source: The gov't The United States Social Security Administration

The disabled will often legally use Medicaid during the yes-or-no waiting period, meaning the period before they receie the official gov't decision/paperwork saying that they're disabled (or able to work). Again, I wanna stress it's perfectly legal for them to do so, and being that the average wait (of the yes-or-no period) is over 2 years, it's easy to understand why they would use Medicaid as a safety net. When disability activates, Medicaid is cancelled in 99.9 percent of cases. There's a gov't agency that oversees to that. However, I need to say your post isn't entirely wrong, because if a low-income person applies for disability and is denied, then they often "just stay" on Medicaid.
I stand corrected.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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Just remember people. ALL life is sacred. As long as that life is in someone else's uterus. When the baby is out of the uterus it can drop dead. Because pro-life Republicans firmly believe that a fetus is innocent but the rest us are guilty and deserve to drop dead if we do not have medical insurance.
Not quite .... I don't know too many conservatives who advocate dismembering people who don't have insurance, or stabbing them in the back of the neck to kill them.
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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Oh wow, are you freakin' serious? So, you want us to have no sanitation workers, no sales clerks or wait staff and heck, police officers and firefighters are paid crap, and so are mechanics and those that build are homes, hospitals, roads and so on. So they are just garbage that do not deserve medical care and they can't have children either...let us all be engineers, attorneys and doctors! Oh wait, if we are all engineers, attorneys and doctors, then they will become the new low paid class because everyone is working those fields...then they can't afford insurance...sheesh!

Don't worry, you will die of the plague from lack of sanitation or you will die in your house fire or from having the crap beat out of you and no officer to protect you since you are such a youknowwhat.

There is NO excuse for there not to be affordable accessible healthcare in this country, NONE AT ALL!

And let me tell you something, our family has excellent health coverage and we are thankful and want the same for other Americans.

And heep is spelled heap...what sector do you work in?
And who is paying for yours? Do you go around and take up a collction from your neighbors every month?

And you can correct me on "collection".... "heep" I figure it will make you feel better!!!!
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:46 AM
 
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1) make it a menu..pick what you want, or how much you can afford to pay..at different deductibles, breadth of coverage, etc..
2) put people with pre-existing conditions and who cannot afford full premiums based on income in a pool, just like high risk drivers, let each insurance company take on a rotating basis those high risk individuals..mandatory if you want to be in the health insurance biz..hospitals do that now..pay what you can..but pay something...
3) open competition for everyone throughout the Country

how about you start there and see how it goes...
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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1) make it a menu..pick what you want, or how much you can afford to pay..at different deductibles, breadth of coverage, etc..
2) put people with pre-existing conditions and who cannot afford full premiums based on income in a pool, just like high risk drivers, let each insurance company take on a rotating basis those high risk individuals..mandatory if you want to be in the health insurance biz..hospitals do that now..pay what you can..but pay something...
3) open competition for everyone throughout the Country

how about you start there and see how it goes...
No need to wait, just look at how it has gone in Germany and Switzerland. They do something very similar.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Privately owned health savings accounts funded with pre-tax money combined with a high deductible catastrophic hospitalization policy. When people buy health care services with their own money and shop for doctors and services they can afford, prices will come down.
"Shop" for a doctor? What kind of store are they sold in?
Services too. And someone who is low income? They "shop" for a doctor for low income people? Where do they find one? And why would any doctor charge less than another doctor if they are both equally competent?

I think everyone should pay to be in a healthcare system--they will appreciate because they paid into it and they should have a co-payment for prescriptions, an affordable one though. No one should have to worry their entire lives about what happens if/when they get sick or in an accident.
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