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Old 02-04-2011, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I have to wonder...if someone were to marry a parent or grandparent, just how that attraction came about in the first place and whether the older party had not practiced some form of undue influence.
It's an interesting thought, and such relationships may be investigated, however, if no influence was given, and both parties are truly consenting individuals within the legal age restraints, then who are we to stop them?
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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Yes. 15 being the limit, however. However, in every case you limit, I don't have a problem with, as long as all parties can be proven to give legal consent.
How would that be legally proven? By the 15 year old signing a statement to the effect that it was her/his own free will to enter into a marriage with a much older person, possibly a parent or grandparent?

Seems like there would be a lot of room for coercion/threats et al from predatory adults.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:51 PM
 
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It's an interesting thought, and such relationships may be investigated, however, if no influence was given, and both parties are truly consenting individuals within the legal age restraints, then who are we to stop them?
I honestly cannot understand how you think incest is okay. Incest really has to be one of the most subversive and abnormal acts in our society. It's disgusting and wrong and perverse too.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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How would that be legally proven? By the 15 year old signing a statement to the effect that it was her/his own free will to enter into a marriage with a much older person, possibly a parent or grandparent?

Seems like there would be a lot of room for coercion/threats et al from predatory adults.
In such cases, I believe that a psychiatric evaluation should be allowed. Because of the potential of abuse.

If both parties pass the psychiatric evaluation, and sign sworn statements with the older party agreeing to being held to the fullest extent of the law for purjury and molestation if the younger party is later proven to have been molested, then I do believe the relationship should be allowed.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Where is this going?

Reductio ad absurdum - Definition
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:52 PM
 
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It's an interesting thought, and such relationships may be investigated, however, if no influence was given, and both parties are truly consenting individuals within the legal age restraints, then who are we to stop them?
I think it may be awfully hard to prove that no influence was given. That's my point. The young person may be so "influenced" by the predatory adult that they will swear that no influence exists.

It's bad enough that we have so many people preying on young people of that age...we don't need to legalize it.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I honestly cannot understand how you think incest is okay. Incest really has to be one of the most subversive and abnormal acts in our society. It's disgusting and wrong and perverse too.
I'll never participate in incestuous acts, however, I don't have any right to say what consenting adults do in their bedroom, as long as no harm is being done either way.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Long Beach, CA
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How would that be legally proven? By the 15 year old signing a statement to the effect that it was her/his own free will to enter into a marriage with a much older person, possibly a parent or grandparent?

Seems like there would be a lot of room for coercion/threats et al from predatory adults.
But those same threats are used with adults giving consent as is. They are used to keep people in abusive relationships or even to further entrench such relationships by moving into marriage in some cases.

That again seems to come down to X is good enough for A but X is not sufficient to justify B taking the same action.

If they are of legal age to give consent, that consent carries with it the same risks as anyone else giving consent... but it should still be their choice and option to give it within reason.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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How would that be legally proven? By the 15 year old signing a statement to the effect that it was her/his own free will to enter into a marriage with a much older person, possibly a parent or grandparent?

Seems like there would be a lot of room for coercion/threats et al from predatory adults.
Same could be said for "consenting" adults getting married if you really think about it and want to go to extremes. Or has the stereotypical "father holding a shotgun to a man's head to marry his daughter because his daughter got knocked up" just magically vanished?
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I think it may be awfully hard to prove that no influence was given. That's my point. The young person may be so "influenced" by the predatory adult that they will swear that no influence exists.

It's bad enough that we have so many people preying on young people of that age...we don't need to legalize it.
Which is the reason for the psychiatric evaluation. If one can pass the extensive psychiatric evaluation, hell, even lie detector tests if that would make you feel more comfortable (as one getting molested would have an EXTREMELY hard time faking a lie detector test to lie for the molestor), then why deny them the ability to wed?
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