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Old 02-06-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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Both are a mental state having to do with the distortion of reality.

Denial is the mental state of not accepting reality as reality

Delusion is the mental state of substituion of an alternate reality.

Now, these are my own words, and I am not a dictionary, but I believe they are fairly close - Pray Be Told.
Sorry, no points. Denial has nothing to do with a "mental state."
de·ni·al (d-nl)n.
1.
A refusal to comply with or satisfy a request.
2. a. A refusal to grant the truth of a statement or allegation; a contradiction.
b. Law The opposing by a defendant of an allegation of the plaintiff.

3. a. A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine or belief.
b. Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

4. The act of disowning or disavowing; repudiation.
5. Abstinence; self-denial.
denial - definition of denial by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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Psychology has always been a pseudo-science to exploit and pillage those with anxieties or those who are unfortunate: psychology keeps blaming the individual for the misfortune which keeps the individual coming back for more pseudo-science i.e., lies.

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Sorry, no points. Denial has nothing to do with a "mental state."
de·ni·al (d-nl)n.
1.
A refusal to comply with or satisfy a request.
2. a. A refusal to grant the truth of a statement or allegation; a contradiction.
b. Law The opposing by a defendant of an allegation of the plaintiff.

3. a. A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine or belief.
b. Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

4. The act of disowning or disavowing; repudiation.
5. Abstinence; self-denial.
denial - definition of denial by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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Reality is determined by the individual not the group: same situation happened when blacks would try to escape slavery in the south. The doctors called it drapetomania: an obvious pseudo-science.
It seems to me, reality is determined by, well.... reality. In other words, reality is what it is, not what one perceives it to be, for their perceptions are but an interpretation of reality.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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Sorry, no points. Denial has nothing to do with a "mental state."
de·ni·al (d-nl)n.
1. A refusal to comply with or satisfy a request.
2. a. A refusal to grant the truth of a statement or allegation; a contradiction.
b. Law The opposing by a defendant of an allegation of the plaintiff.

3. a. A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine or belief.
b. Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

4. The act of disowning or disavowing; repudiation.
5. Abstinence; self-denial.
denial - definition of denial by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
I believe 3a sums up what I said nicely. You can say it is a mental state or an act of refusal, but it a distinction without a difference.

Sorry, but the only points you scored were for being ridiculously nit-pickly. And besides, you are not in a position to grant or deny points, nor would I accept any from you.

You might want to change your name to Distinction without a Difference to comply with truth-in-advertising requirements - perhaps Mr. DWaD

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Old 02-06-2011, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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She's a celebrity, don't you people always scoff at what celebrities say? Why would you even believe what a celebrity says?
No, she a political pundit/player.

She happens to be exactly right when it comes to analyzing obama's policies.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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Her analysis goes as deep as regurgitating the conventional opposition party line.

She had a reality TV show and has copyrighted her name. 'Nuff said. Certified joke.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:52 PM
 
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No, she a political pundit/player.

She happens to be exactly right when it comes to analyzing obama's policies.
Yeah, she's a celebrity. So why are you listening to her? That's pretty embarrassing that you take the words of a celebrity to heart. I might even say that it's hypocritical as well.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:57 PM
 
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Yeah, she's a celebrity. So why are you listening to her? That's pretty embarrassing that you take the words of a celebrity to heart. I might even say that it's hypocritical as well.
All these Socialist liberals like Sanrene feed off every word celebrities say. In their view, if they're on TV, they must know better than we real Americans.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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Yeah, she's a celebrity. So why are you listening to her? That's pretty embarrassing that you take the words of a celebrity to heart. I might even say that it's hypocritical as well.
She is a great American and beloved by many a true-American, including myself.

She is a celebrity because of what she says, so what you said makes no sense whatsoever. The difference between her celebrity and an actors is that she has gained hers by saying her own words, while an actors is gained by saying somebody else's words.

You can "say" anything you want, but as is the case in so many instances, saying it only erodes your credibility. What, exactly, has she been hypocritcal about? If you need help learning what that word means, wiki it.
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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Her analysis goes as deep as regurgitating the conventional opposition party line.

She had a reality TV show and has copyrighted her name. 'Nuff said. Certified joke.
I never met anyone who used the 'nuff said line that was worth spit. It seems to be a way for people with no capacity for debate to get cloture before they are found out to be as lacking as they are.
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