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View Poll Results: Were Hitler's policies liberal or conservative?
Leaned Liberal 6 6.67%
Leaned Conservative 10 11.11%
Extremely Liberal 28 31.11%
Extremely Conservative 50 55.56%
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Hitlers deal with the Army and Prescott Bush, representing Thyssen-Krupp was that he would purge the Party, of Socialists, Communist, and keep the SA from arming. This resulted the the Operation Hummingbird Purge.
You can have your own opinions but not your own facts
What of what I wrote was non-factual?
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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I have to disagree with this statement.

The question of Hitler's religion is a complex one and not yet satisfactorily researched.

There are indicators that Hitler concocted a crude mix of esoteric northern beliefs, aspects of buddhism and the judeo-christian messianic principle to create a new blend of state religion with him as the chosen messiah.

Furthermore, there are possible indicators that Hitler, while counting on the support/lack of resistance of the catholic church in his plans to exterminate the jews, planned a second wave of murders to get rid of the catholic hierarchy.

Thus he would have been able to reap some of catholicisms religious tenets for his own new national religion, and be rid of a social and religious hierarchical structure that wasn't entirely under his control.

In my view (and it has to personal as no conclusive scientific research has been done on the subject), Hitler used the christian faith to control parts of Germany's poulation and get their consent in terminating the jews, but never thought to install it as the predominant religion of the state, but rather bided his time until he could create his own messianic state cult.

btw, I'm an atheist, and not here to defend christianity, but to comment that the idea of Hitler as a christian is a flawed one such as it is.
I agree with you, hitler was quite interested and followed norse mythology. That's where he got the aryan race idea that these chosen, superior people descended from scandinavia into germany. He did quite a bit of research to try to prove his theory that the aryans were an actual race.
Though he likely did just use his catholic faith and the ties with the vatican as a pawn to mislead the people and gain support and trust as a trustworthy "family values" good christian.
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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Rather than picking up the processed food box from the aisles, why don't you try cooking it from scratch
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I was born in Vilsbiburg Germany (I am a Naturalized Citizen, at age 7)
I have lived in Germany several times since moving here and have been there many times on business and pleasure. I have many relatives in both the US and Germany.
I have studied Germany history in-depth since I am half German and have a strong interest in my roots.
I am the son of a Military man, I have served this nation myself and one of my two sons has also served, all of us saw combat. I love history and especially certain areas of history and for me military history is very interesting and I have been reading on the subject for over 40 years. I have read and own hundreds of books dealing with the Nazis and Hitler and feel I can speak on the subject with a strong foundation built on the Facts.
So does that qualify in your book as cooking?????
Casper
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:41 AM
 
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Were Hitler's policies more liberal or more conservative? I'm pretty sure he leaned far left.
Were Hitler's policies liberal or conservative?

IMO, Hitler hated most races except his favorite one (which he was not). His agenda was motivated by hatred and his policies were created to manipulate a whole country. He justified his actions by the manipulation of the people and while he was getting his cookie he was able to claim working for the people.
A large portion of Hitler's followers did not know what they were following but did so because it sounded good. His people didn't think to ask why he perused that course but saw there was a little something in it for them. He tricked the masses and fooled his followers and killed millions for the greater good. He distributed the wealth and leveled the playing field all the while promising a great new world.
Conservative vs. liberal? He exercised both.
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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There are more than two sides of American politics.

Those who think the government may help them. These are principally the poor.
Those that know the government will help them. These are the really big financial and military industrial corporations.
Those that know the government will hurt them. These are the "conservatives" that vote against their own self interest because it is "right" to be conservative.
Those that know that being a prince is better than being a pauper and are willing to prostitute themselves on the altar of Mammon to further their political careers.

PS - Trying to understand or explain Adolph Hitler is essentially impossible because insanity is chaos.
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:43 AM
 
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Like this:
I was born in Vilsbiburg Germany (I am a Naturalized Citizen, at age 7)
I have lived in Germany several times since moving here and have been there many times on business and pleasure. I have many relatives in both the US and Germany.
I have studied Germany history in-depth since I am half German and have a strong interest in my roots.
I am the son of a Military man, I have served this nation myself and one of my two sons has also served, all of us saw combat. I love history and especially certain areas of history and for me military history is very interesting and I have been reading on the subject for over 40 years. I have read and own hundreds of books dealing with the Nazis and Hitler and feel I can speak on the subject with a strong foundation built on the Facts.
So does that qualify in your book as cooking?????
Casper
WoW, this is baffling then. It should have been easier for you. Oh well
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:47 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Hitler and Nazism are deeply rooted in the liberal school of thought, from the first world war days.

Their socialism simply became socialism for aryans only. In other words, socialism exempting the Jews.

Now read your links and find for yourself if wiki cares to mention this. Like I said, ignorance is dangerous
No other group was more traumatized by the Nazi Holocaust than the Jews. The Holocaust has had a profound effect on the Jewish psyche ... and Nazi Fascism nearly brought about the extinction of Jewish civilization in Europe which spanned 2,000 years.

Interestingly Jews - the vast majority of them anyway - are liberals, and in this country vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party. This is not just an American phenomena, because Israel is the most liberal country in the Middle East ... and wherever there is a Jewish community: in Canada, the U.K., Argentina, Australia, etc. - Jews are known for being liberal. They proudly proclaim their liberalism as a badge of honor.
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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not a shred of evidence for any of that, but if you are into fairytales, that's a good one.

Fact of the matter is, you'd have a very very hard time trying to justify his actions according to the Bible and Christianity. We tend to frown upon genocide.
Oh no! No evidence at all Hitler felt he was doing God's work.

Mein Kampf

I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Clark Park - I agree with your characterization of the Jewish community. I am saddened by Israel's trurning into a militarized police state that violates the basic principals of Judaism.
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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Not a "shred" of evidence Hitler considered himself Christian.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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