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Old 02-09-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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... Yes, inside every human cell, a complex, sophisticated, well organized system is in operation which could be characterized as a self contained, microscopic factory. Many examples of the biological processes conducted by microscopic "machines" are constantly working to construct, maintain and repair cells. Bacteria demonstrates the classic features of intelligent design too ...such as the "flagellum motor" used by certain bacteria for propulsion...
I may have just discovered a fine source of information... Conservapedia - Evolution.

 
Old 02-09-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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Intelligent Design - Yes, inside every human cell, a complex, sophisticated, well organized system is in operation which could be characterized as a self contained, microscopic factory. Many examples of the biological processes conducted by microscopic "machines" are constantly working to construct, maintain and repair cells. Bacteria demonstrates the classic features of intelligent design too ...such as the "flagellum motor" used by certain bacteria for propulsion:
This argument in particular has been so thoroughly debunked as to make further arguments in support is simply an argument ad absurdum in that the argument for irreducible complexity is like arguing that a mouse trap cannot function without any of its parts removed. Well as a mouse trap that is true, but if you remove any of those irreducible parts, they can and do function as other mechanisms and things.
Take away two parts (the catch and the metal bar), and you may not have a mousetrap but you do have a three-part machine that makes a fully functional tie clip or paper clip. Take away the spring, and you have a two-part key chain. The catch of some mousetraps could be used as a fishhook, and the wooden base as a paperweight; useful applications of other parts include everything from toothpicks to nutcrackers and clipboard holders. The point, which science has long understood, is that bits and pieces of supposedly irreducibly complex machines may have different — but still useful — functions.
Prof. Kenneth Miller

Intelligent Design? (ActionBioscience)

Regarding the bacterial flagellum specifically:

The Flagellum Unspun
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:16 PM
 
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Actually both evolution and creationism are theories. Nice try though. I'm pretty certain that I acknowledged evolution in my previous post. Reading comprehension problems?

Collins: Why this scientist believes in God - CNN

Francis Collins: A Scientist's Case for God : NPR
Creationism is not a theory in scientific terms, not even remotely close. Theory in sciences does not mean the same thing as it does in laymen terms.
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Ever Wonder Why We Continue to Argue About Evolution?

Stupid people?
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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EVER WONDER WHY THIS TOPIC IS NOT ON THE RELIGION BOARDS??
ToE is Science. ID is religion. The debate is definitely political.
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Maybe both are right. Maybe those of us with a soul were created by God and liberals simply (d)evolved from apes.
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Maybe both are right. Maybe those of us with a soul were created by God and liberals simply (d)evolved from apes.
And then again, maybe not.
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Maybe both are right. Maybe those of us with a soul were created by God and liberals simply (d)evolved from apes.
Apes were ****ting on the soil long before the Biblical God infused soul into it to create Adam and Eve, thus the humanity the and others that were living in nearby villages who Cain would approach to for his wife.
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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Maybe both are right. Maybe those of us with a soul were created by God and liberals simply (d)evolved from apes.
There is no maybe.

We're all mutated apes.

Get used to it.
 
Old 02-09-2011, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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ToE is Science. ID is religion. The debate is definitely political.
Indeed. The initial post was in a political vein. However, as history has shown on this forum, should a thread degrade into a Creation/Evolution debate, no matter how it starts out, the probability that the moderators moving it to the religion/philosophy sub-forum, approaches 1. I think there is a law in that. Hmmm, Panterra's Law. Think it'll catch on?
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