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Old 02-13-2011, 11:17 PM
 
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So now you're saying time had a beginning but it isn't finite?


And how do you rule out a cause for what suddenly came to be?
Why would that be a problem? Time and the 3 space dimensions are simply metrics/qualities of this known to us universe. Before this universe came into existence the metrics associated with it did not exist. There was simply no time or space as 'things' or concepts 'prior' (prior shouldn't be a word here... but we are humans and our spoken language is limited and crude for such fine concepts, thus actual 'hard-core' physics turn to mathematical language exclusively). Time and space were born with the birth of 'our' universe. There may be other universes that have no such metrics.

There needn't be a cause. Causality is also just a metric of our particualr existing universe, not an intrinsic quality of 'everything that may be ever'

Consider that taste (in the culinary sense) is only a metric of food to humans. Animals simply need protein and care not for seasoning. So, before humans of certain development stage came into existence taste as a 'thing' did not exist at all. Then it 'began' and will exist as long as humans exist.

Also, keep in mind that 'infinite' in mathematical physics is not what a layman usually means (without suspecting it). Infinities have cardinality and sign. Some infinities in fact converge (in physics, it may onto another singularity) Some infinities are 'more infinite' than others.

That's another problem with creationism, it doesn't allow for multiple (infinite open) amount of universes with a multitude of metrics/laws. Otherwise, there'd be an open infinity of gods?

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Old 02-13-2011, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Thousands of living creatures today are represented in the fossil records and show no evolutionary changes.

Sorry ... you've been lied to. Evolutionists like to use fossils of extinct species as evidence, because there is nothing to compare them to. But species that are still alive today appear to be identical to their species preserved in the fossil records.

People lie ... rocks don't.
Really now? Then explain Wooly Mammoths, Giant Short Nosed Bears, Sabre Tooth Cats and Giant Ground Sloths among others who's descendants still exist. What is the matter with you?
 
Old 02-13-2011, 11:44 PM
 
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So now you're saying time had a beginning but it isn't finite?
I feel you! But. that is what the current thought seems to be (see Hawkins' The History of Time).
 
Old 02-13-2011, 11:50 PM
 
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A really cool video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OFTh...eature=channel
 
Old 02-14-2011, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Great video...Thanks.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 12:48 AM
 
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cuz evolution is just a theory
 
Old 02-14-2011, 02:32 AM
 
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cuz evolution is just a theory
Yup, just like gravity is only a theory. I guess gravity ain't real either, but why not check it out and jump off the nearest cliff.
 
Old 02-14-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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Yup, just like gravity is only a theory. I guess gravity ain't real either, but why not check it out and jump off the nearest cliff.
Nope gravity is a law

and by the way newton was proven wrong, how is that any different than darwin being proven wrong?
 
Old 02-14-2011, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Nope gravity is a law

and by the way newton was proven wrong, how is that any different than darwin being proven wrong?

What's the difference in a law and a theory?
 
Old 02-14-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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Sorry bud, you don't get to add to infinity.

Doesn't work that way.
That's not entirely true.

There are different kinds of inifinity.

"Aleph Null" is the infinity of integers, positive and negative.

"Aleph One" is the inifinity of real numbers - all numbers between integers, positive and negative.

"c" is the inifinity of all real and non-real numbers (including i and others.

By definition, Aleph Null < Aleph One < c


It's been a while, and the terminology may have changed since I had math, but I think this is still true.
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