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"His IQ dropped from 121 to 81 after doctors had to remove 40 percent of his brain, said his father, Randy Jones."
"Steven Jones, 18, has struggled to access rehabilitation care for four years, ever since he was shot in the face in 2006 by a neighbor boy messing around with a 9-millimeter handgun."
doesn't sound like he was so smart to me.
Anyway, you cannot compare the care of a 18 year old to a Congresswoman.
Since there are people who do not seem to know about the cost-problem of US health care, I think we need to get a few basics straight:
Doing good would be a thick line, low on the left and high on the right side.
Excellent graph that combines spending and life expectancy. Good catch.
Obviously from this thread, it won't persuade these hardcore right wingers.
They've been programmed to spurt out........ "America #1!" ....when confronted with facts that conflict with their programming.
One of the most foul right wing posters here at CD readily admits to being on Medicaid (for the indigent) and is being treated for a serious condition.......Yet they would deny that for those "other people". i.e. immigrants, minorities, gays, etc.?
Wow your graph says " The figures include "all Public and private spending" and it uses the exact same per 2007 per capita spending of $7290 for US residents as my graph?
Some little bird on this thread has lying claiming the figure is only government spending.
You're all fighting over something a journalist with an already formed opinion wrote. I say that because I have lived with someone with frontal lobe damage and it's a completely different tragedy than what happened to Mrs. Giffords. So I know, not from articles or stats but from experience, that this person has a bend to their story.
Stats mean nothing nowadays. Everyone has them and for each one there are two other studies with numbers to refute it. It's nothing but bicker, bicker, bicker and it brings out hate from all sides.
When will you all get it? Healthcare is a commodity. It is a good and a service offered to someone, and it comes about through years of education, research and development, manufacturing of drugs, machines, surgical equipment, tools and other hospital items, construction of buildings, and the list goes on and on. Nothing comes without cost yet some of you on here think that magically all the rich people in the world will bow down and do as everyone else wishes of them with their money. That's the most naive and dangerous part of all, that there are those out there who honestly think this.
We are at a crossroads in human history. My thoughts are that things will spiral down from here, just as in other critical times in history. This doesn't mean you can't survive, millions of people survived worse than where we're heading. But you can't survive if you expect the rich man to pay your way. Certainly they've contributed to society, and maybe not as much as we'd like, but threaten them with losing their fortune and you'll eventually find a country in upheaval.
Why do you think all the major corporations have jumped on either the democrat or republican bandwagon? Why? Start looking for those answers instead of complaining about who's going to pay for all and equal healthcare. There will never truly be such a thing. It doesn't exist anywhere on the globe. And just because countries like England and Canada have health insurance for all doesn't mean it's equal.
If we had a system like Europe, everybody would have it, you wouldn't have to worry about ever losing it, and it would cost 50% of what we pay on average now.
"Socialist" is a slur they use to keep gullible Americans thinking universal health care is a bad thing.
Depends on how you look at it..
If the idea is to provide the best possible healthcare for everyone then you are correct.. a single payer plan that can set rates, control costs and such is the most affordable way to do this..
This quasi health care we have now where pretty much everyone has to recieve healthcare but quality is not equall and where we see costs are inflated through an insurance quagmire is awefull..
But if your from the idea that healthcare is not a right then we could all consider a helath care where each individual is responsible for it..
Outlaw the idea of health ins. and replace with a system of pay go..
A true capitalist health care would provide the BEST QUALITY of care for the CHEAPEST costs..
The down side would be the people who are not able to afford it even after prices drop..
At the end of the day the debate HAS to be had about whether or not we think healthcare in this country is a right or a priveledge..
then we can move forward with whatever plan works the best to accomplish that.
You're all fighting over something a journalist with an already formed opinion wrote. I say that because I have lived with someone with frontal lobe damage and it's a completely different tragedy than what happened to Mrs. Giffords. So I know, not from articles or stats but from experience, that this person has a bend to their story.
Stats mean nothing nowadays. Everyone has them and for each one there are two other studies with numbers to refute it. It's nothing but bicker, bicker, bicker and it brings out hate from all sides.
When will you all get it? Healthcare is a commodity. It is a good and a service offered to someone, and it comes about through years of education, research and development, manufacturing of drugs, machines, surgical equipment, tools and other hospital items, construction of buildings, and the list goes on and on. Nothing comes without cost yet some of you on here think that magically all the rich people in the world will bow down and do as everyone else wishes of them with their money. That's the most naive and dangerous part of all, that there are those out there who honestly think this.
We are at a crossroads in human history. My thoughts are that things will spiral down from here, just as in other critical times in history. This doesn't mean you can't survive, millions of people survived worse than where we're heading. But you can't survive if you expect the rich man to pay your way. Certainly they've contributed to society, and maybe not as much as we'd like, but threaten them with losing their fortune and you'll eventually find a country in upheaval.
Why do you think all the major corporations have jumped on either the democrat or republican bandwagon? Why? Start looking for those answers instead of complaining about who's going to pay for all and equal healthcare. There will never truly be such a thing. It doesn't exist anywhere on the globe. And just because countries like England and Canada have health insurance for all doesn't mean it's equal.
Then produce a stat or graph that refutes what's been listed here. If stats and graphs mean nothing. I'm sure there are lots of graphs telling us how great the US system is according to you?
Maybe the thing is...you are not being reasonable when confronted with objective data? Does this data conflict with your world view?
If the idea is to provide the best possible healthcare for everyone then you are correct.. a single payer plan that can set rates, control costs and such is the most affordable way to do this..
This quasi health care we have now where pretty much everyone has to recieve healthcare but quality is not equall and where we see costs are inflated through an insurance quagmire is awefull..
But if your from the idea that healthcare is not a right then we could all consider a helath care where each individual is responsible for it..
Outlaw the idea of health ins. and replace with a system of pay go..
A true capitalist health care would provide the BEST QUALITY of care for the CHEAPEST costs..
The down side would be the people who are not able to afford it even after prices drop..
At the end of the day the debate HAS to be had about whether or not we think healthcare in this country is a right or a priveledge..
then we can move forward with whatever plan works the best to accomplish that.
If all the facts were put on the table, nobody was allowed to lie or exaggerate, those thinking health care is a right would win in a landslide.
There is a reason right wingers lie about "death panels" and "going to jail for not buying health insurance".....It's because they can't win unless they fool gullible, low IQ voters into voting against their own self interest.
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