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Old 02-09-2011, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Well, he certainly has done some "resetting", although not in the direction we were expecting or promised. He has weakened ties to our allies with his latest ineptitude on Egypt.

I'm sure the Saudi's had more to say than the threat of stepping in - probably another WTF moment.

The Times | UK News, World News and Opinion

Saudis told Obama to back Mubarak

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America’s closest ally in the Gulf made clear that the Egyptian President must be allowed to stay on to oversee the transition towards peaceful democracy and then leave with dignity. “Mubarak and King Abdullah are not just allies, they are close friends, and the King is not about to see his friend cast aside and humiliated,” a senior source in the Saudi capital told The Times.
He's basically alienated all parties in Egypt and has our allies wondering if they are next to get the knife in the back.

Egypt fence-mending in U.S. future - POLITICO.com Print View

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But the improvisational — critics say closer to schizophrenic — nature of U.S. diplomacy during the crisis leaves the administration in the unwelcome position of having to make amends with whichever side emerges from the Egyptian tumult as the governing power. The anti-Mubarak forces clearly will wonder whether the White House ever had their back — but Mubarak and those close to him also will question whether Washington was ready to throw him over the side.
How nice. Our foreign policy being described as "schizophrenic" because obama had to get on the "right" side of the crisis so he could gain the glory.

Blow to “O”… Egyptian VP Says There Will Be No Regime Change | The Gateway Pundit (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/blow-to-obama-egyptian-vp-says-there-will-be-no-regime-change/ - broken link)

A running daily count of the flip-flops and 360s.
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Old 02-09-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Do you get the feeling that the world is starting to run the US?
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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Default "Dis Bunch Don't Know Owt" ! ... ARRRRRRRGH !

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Well, he certainly has done some "resetting", although not in the direction we were expecting or promised. He has weakened ties to our allies with his latest ineptitude on Egypt.

I'm sure the Saudi's had more to say than the threat of stepping in - probably another WTF moment.

The Times | UK News, World News and Opinion

Saudis told Obama to back Mubarak



He's basically alienated all parties in Egypt and has our allies wondering if they are next to get the knife in the back.

Egypt fence-mending in U.S. future - POLITICO.com Print View



How nice. Our foreign policy being described as "schizophrenic" because obama had to get on the "right" side of the crisis so he could gain the glory.

Blow to “O”… Egyptian VP Says There Will Be No Regime Change | The Gateway Pundit (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/blow-to-obama-egyptian-vp-says-there-will-be-no-regime-change/ - broken link)

A running daily count of the flip-flops and 360s.
sanrene !!! ... You Rate A 10 As Usual !

Incredibly there just doesn't appear to be any possibility that HO and crew will ever demonstrate even the slightest improvement in their as of yet grossly inept leadership skills and shocking lack of foreign relations skills !

Blimey mates here it tis 2011 and the muppets in the ole Yankee WH are just as daft as ever ! ... What ?

The good folks in the States deserve so bloody much better than this !!!

Cheerio / Old Sgt. Lamar
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:15 PM
 
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Do you get the feeling that the world is starting to run the US?
I get the feeling that Obama's bowing has given the world the impression they can do just that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd425...eature=related
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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If Egypt is so confused with the statements coming from obama, think of what the allies without a knife sticking out of their back must be saying.

Egyptian FM says US message was confusing - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110209/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_foreign_minister_2 - broken link)

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Aboul Gheit said U.S. statements, delivered in the first four or five days of the crisis, that change should happen "now" were unhelpful and disregarded Egyptian sensitivities, according to an interview transcript.
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Seems now we know where they get that smart power - from the teevee.

Leon Panetta | James Clapper | Muslim Brotherhood | Mediaite

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The report of his impending resignation was only eclipsed by the news that Mubarak would NOT be stepping down as Panetta had indicated to congress. The worse part isn’t that Panetta was basing his statement on on media reports (and not intelligence.)
Worse than amateur hour in the WH.
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:16 PM
 
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Do you get the feeling that the world is starting to run the US?
The Founding Fathers knew best: "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none"

When you start involving yourself with the affairs of other countries, you soon become a playing ball yourself
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:32 PM
 
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Well, he certainly has done some "resetting", although not in the direction we were expecting or promised. He has weakened ties to our allies with his latest ineptitude on Egypt.

I'm sure the Saudi's had more to say than the threat of stepping in - probably another WTF moment.

The Times | UK News, World News and Opinion

Saudis told Obama to back Mubarak



He's basically alienated all parties in Egypt and has our allies wondering if they are next to get the knife in the back.

Egypt fence-mending in U.S. future - POLITICO.com Print View



How nice. Our foreign policy being described as "schizophrenic" because obama had to get on the "right" side of the crisis so he could gain the glory.

Blow to “O”… Egyptian VP Says There Will Be No Regime Change | The Gateway Pundit (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/blow-to-obama-egyptian-vp-says-there-will-be-no-regime-change/ - broken link)

A running daily count of the flip-flops and 360s.
I can recall some posts when you were fawning all over the great "Democracy" that Bush was bringing to Iraq when he illegally invaded them and bankrupted our country in doing so. But now the Egyptian people are not entitled to fight for their own democracy and have the support of this shining beacon on the hill???

Weakend ties to allies you say. Let's put it this way... I'm sure Obama will never be under threat of arrest for crimes against humanity in other nations when he leaves office. Get my drift?
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:33 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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The Founding Fathers knew best: "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none"

When you start involving yourself with the affairs of other countries, you soon become a playing ball yourself
I like "walk softly but carry a big stick".
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:48 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I've had the feeling for some time now, the world thinks we are a laughing stock. They are laughing behind are backs. I don't think they do take us serious anymore, you have to have someone somewhat tough, and we don't. And the world knows it too.

I think the Powers of other Countries, think that they can walk all over us, and we shall take it, they balk their orders at us, oh wait until they need us, and when another Country needs us, just where do they go for help, let us guess! yep then it is the good old USA!
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