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Old 02-10-2011, 07:43 AM
 
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drops in the bucket eventually overflow and create a river....
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Old 02-10-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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Wow, horrible. Here are some numbers for you..
-the richest 20% of people own 80% of the financial assets in this country (with the richest 1% percent owning half of that).
-the bottom 90% percent are burdened with 73% of the debt
-from 1979 to 2005 the after tax income of the top 1% increased 176%!!! while their tax burden fell from 50-35% during that same period
-household incomes for the middle class have risen approx. 20% during this time but this is largely a result of women joining the workforce creating a two income household.
-if we take a single man making the average income in the US and adjust for inflation he is actually making $800 less than his male counterpart a generation ago
-due to loopholes in the corporate tax codes there were pharmaceutical companies (with literally billions in revenues) paying 5% in taxes last year

So my question is, how is it fair that the rich get special treatment and their tax cuts extended? Yet we the middle class will have to suffer not only our stagnating wages as we grow ever poorer but not have to live with less police officers to keep us safe, drink dirtier drinking water, swim and fish in more polluted rivers, fly in planes with less safety measures, eat contaminated foods, spend more on gas due to cuts in public transportation and live with more dangerous drug addicts on the streets? Its too much. These are very basic and necessary services, not pork barrel spending. It's so sad that the lives and livelihoods of the common American will be put in jeopardy all to maintain excessive gains at the very top of the spectrum.
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Old 02-10-2011, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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You gotta start somewhere. But you're right--the jury is still out on whether or not they're all talk or if they're willing to get their hands dirty and actually do some real cutting. I personally am wondering if the Republicans have the stones to do it.
This is a lazy argument. You have to start somewhere, but it shouldn't be screwing your national parks while military contractors continue to get dirty rich.
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Old 02-10-2011, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Why in the last 2 years? Why not in the last 10 years? Or the last 5 years? 2 seems kinda arbitrary.
It's well known that Obama has increased the size of the federal civilian workforce greater than any of his predecessors before him. I highly doubt we needed to add that many new employees onto the government dole. The economy overall was shrinking and contracting, yet our federal government was expanding. Something doesn't make sense with that.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Well, it's a start. I would like so see cuts to the military budget as well. The biggest disappointment is that many of these organizations are only geting their budgets cut. With 70 on this list alone, there have to be some that are ripe for elimination.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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Wow, horrible. Here are some numbers for you..
-the richest 20% of people own 80% of the financial assets in this country (with the richest 1% percent owning half of that).
-the bottom 90% percent are burdened with 73% of the debt
-from 1979 to 2005 the after tax income of the top 1% increased 176%!!! while their tax burden fell from 50-35% during that same period
-household incomes for the middle class have risen approx. 20% during this time but this is largely a result of women joining the workforce creating a two income household.
-if we take a single man making the average income in the US and adjust for inflation he is actually making $800 less than his male counterpart a generation ago
-due to loopholes in the corporate tax codes there were pharmaceutical companies (with literally billions in revenues) paying 5% in taxes last year

So my question is, how is it fair that the rich get special treatment and their tax cuts extended? Yet we the middle class will have to suffer not only our stagnating wages as we grow ever poorer but not have to live with less police officers to keep us safe, drink dirtier drinking water, swim and fish in more polluted rivers, fly in planes with less safety measures, eat contaminated foods, spend more on gas due to cuts in public transportation and live with more dangerous drug addicts on the streets? Its too much. These are very basic and necessary services, not pork barrel spending. It's so sad that the lives and livelihoods of the common American will be put in jeopardy all to maintain excessive gains at the very top of the spectrum.
I didn't read your entire rant but, one thing caught my eye and that is the tax cuts. Didn't you also get a tax cut extension.

how can the bottom 90% percent be burdened with 73% of the debt when 474 pay no income tax at all?

And lastly instead of being jealous of those that have succeeded, why don't you do something to become one of them?
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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This is a lazy argument. You have to start somewhere, but it shouldn't be screwing your national parks while military contractors continue to get dirty rich.
There is no interest like self interest. IMO, national defense is more important than parks. There always have and always will be companies that make money during different times. When it is hot, the ice cream man makes money. When it is cold the coat salesman makes money. When there is a storm the glass man makes money. When there are bad road conditions the body & fender man makes money. The defense "business" is no different.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Wow, horrible. Here are some numbers for you..
-the richest 20% of people own 80% of the financial assets in this country (with the richest 1% percent owning half of that).
-the bottom 90% percent are burdened with 73% of the debt
-from 1979 to 2005 the after tax income of the top 1% increased 176%!!! while their tax burden fell from 50-35% during that same period
-household incomes for the middle class have risen approx. 20% during this time but this is largely a result of women joining the workforce creating a two income household.
-if we take a single man making the average income in the US and adjust for inflation he is actually making $800 less than his male counterpart a generation ago
-due to loopholes in the corporate tax codes there were pharmaceutical companies (with literally billions in revenues) paying 5% in taxes last year

So my question is, how is it fair that the rich get special treatment and their tax cuts extended? Yet we the middle class will have to suffer not only our stagnating wages as we grow ever poorer but not have to live with less police officers to keep us safe, drink dirtier drinking water, swim and fish in more polluted rivers, fly in planes with less safety measures, eat contaminated foods, spend more on gas due to cuts in public transportation and live with more dangerous drug addicts on the streets? Its too much. These are very basic and necessary services, not pork barrel spending. It's so sad that the lives and livelihoods of the common American will be put in jeopardy all to maintain excessive gains at the very top of the spectrum.
How is cutting federal government agency appropriations bills related to individual income tax brackets and just for the record, police officers have nothing to do with fed agency funding. How did we exist before we had the kind of spending that we have had in the last few years?
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Some of the larger ones that grabbed my attention...

Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy -$899M
Nuclear Energy -$169M
NASA -$379M
Office of Science -$1.1B
EPA -$1.6B
Clean Water State Revolving Fund -$700M
Drinking Water State Revolving Fund -$250M
Job Training Programs -$2B
Family Planning -$327M
CDC -$755M
High Speed Rail -$1B
Amtrak -$224M

In other words, not just shoot for the third world status... accelerate it.
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Old 02-10-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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There is no interest like self interest. IMO, national defense is more important than parks.
Yeah and when you look at the issue like that of course you'll vote to take money away from national parks every time. And so long as issues can be framed like that, nothing will change.

The fact is, we are so scared of our own shadows that we cut all funding that actually helps to make the US a decent place to live.

The national park cut equals less than 3% of annual spending on the "Space Based Infrared System" - a single defense line item, one of many making lockheed dirty dirty dirty rich. hell, good luck finding anything in the defense budget that is even priced in "millions"
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