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It's really interesting to see the interlaced power of technology to overwhelm dictatorships, provide information to the masses, and redefine the geopolitical landscape. We are most certainly living in interesting times.
Yes we are.
It's a WHOLE new ball game.
The future of the world is CLEAR. It's democracy and market-based economies - not just for the "white" part of the world, but for EVERYONE on every continent. Folks are moving towards this at different paces in different parts of the world but they ARE all going to get there sooner or later. Right now Egypt is make a HUGE step in that direction.
Our world, Our trade, Our citzens that would become targets if they go jiadist on us, so it IS OUR problem and OUR right to have a say (but just A say not the final say).
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
Egypt is a foreign country, belonging to its people. They get to choose, regardless of the consequences to us. We simply ought to be prepared for the worst and refrain from poking our nose into their affairs.
Never have I read such disgusting self-loathing on a forum in my life. Do you have no pride in your country, culture, or Western Values? Are they not worth advocating for? We're not even talking about an extreme position like forcing a constitution on them at gunpoint. We're only talking about having a say and advocating for a system that we feel is the best system. What ever happened to oped debate of ideas and letting the best one win? You isolationists astound me. Haven't you learned from history what happens when we withdraw from the marketplace of ideas and let the extremists have center stage? That helps no one. It is a selfish, and yet at the same time self-defeating, position.
Layoff the Glenn Beck. The protesters were not about the Muslim Brotherhood, it was about the people of Egypt.
It will be hard to ween some off Beck, etal. Fear is so intoxicating. Actually, that may be why Beck got into the business of fear, his experience with the lure of intoxication.
Layoff the Glenn Beck. The protesters were not about the Muslim Brotherhood, it was about the people of Egypt.
Yeah, you know it really cracks me up how the people who profess the loudest to be FOR Democracy are the ones now the MOST upset at witnessing REAL Democracy being born. Democracy is the WILL of the people - and if you REALLY believe in Democracy (rather than just giving it lip service when it suits you) then you have to trust the WILL of the people. If you don't trust the will of the people then you really don't trust democracy (you just CLAIM to but in truth trust more in Totalitarianism).
Well..Well..Well, it truly appears that a brand spankin new procedure is in place for a so called "DEMOCRACY" regarding the removal of an elected President or other such title by the people who simply decide they just don't want their elected official around any dang more !!!
Afterall a bloke shouldn't have to wait for election day to vote the elected toerag out the proper way ... What ?
Upon further consideration ... our simply brilliant mates that inhabit the ole Yankee WH were bloody well in favor of the elected Egyptian Leader resigning right away !!! Thats right, seemingly from the very beginning !
Blimey ... Perhaps the American People and the rest of the so called democracies around the globe at last have the answer regarding just what to do to rid your country of an undesirable elected muppet ... Afterall it must be ok if HO & Crew have endorsed it for Egypt ! Right ?
The possibilities are endless ... muster the masses ... hold em together long enough ... and run the elected blighter outta Cairo ! Elementary my dear Watson !
You can have a lot of fun with an ole Democracy these days .. depending upon which ones they are of course !
It may well turn out in the long run that the American Democracy and it's Washington "Political Circus" had best be extremely careful what they have anxiously wished for regarding ole Mubarak !
Basic logic tells us that the election process is the backbone of any actual Democratic Society and for any other leader of a democratic nation to suggest any other process is without a doubt the babblings of one who is seriously off their onion.
"We must all hang together or, most assuredly we shall hang separately". Ben Franklin
Democracy ... Ain't What It Used To Be Many Long Years Ago ! Har ... Harr
Cheerio / Old Sgt. Lamar
What are YOU advocating? A "revolution" here?
Tooooo much Glenn Beck for you. LOL Try changing the channels. Hmmm, a British accent judging the US government and its elected officials. Don't you find that kinda odd?
Layoff the Glenn Beck. The protesters were not about the Muslim Brotherhood, it was about the people of Egypt.
I don't understand this constant fearmongering. These protesters were predominantly educated, global, mobile young people with no strong political allegiance. They just wanted to be able to work and live to the level they feel they are able, and Mubarak was not providing those opportunities.
Yeah, you know it really cracks me up how the people who profess the loudest to be FOR Democracy are the ones now the MOST upset at witnessing REAL Democracy being born. Democracy is the WILL of the people - and if you REALLY believe in Democracy (rather than just giving it lip service when it suits you) then you have to trust the WILL of the people. If you don't trust the will of the people then you really don't trust democracy (you just CLAIM to but in truth trust more in Totalitarianism).
Ken
Let's keep this in perspective: A vast majority of these posters suddenly supportive of dictatorships and fearful of who's going to rise to power are acting this way because Beck told them to act this way.
Most never even heard of Mubarak before January.
It's kind of like saying we shouldn't have free elections in the United States because radical Christian interests have strong funding and political influence and want to force their radical interpretation of Christian authority on our nation. We have sensible elections that give this faction a voice but keep the extremes at bay. Perhaps we should trust the Egyptians to do so as well.
Yeah, you know it really cracks me up how the people who profess the loudest to be FOR Democracy are the ones now the MOST upset at witnessing REAL Democracy being born. Democracy is the WILL of the people - and if you REALLY believe in Democracy (rather than just giving it lip service when it suits you) then you have to trust the WILL of the people. If you don't trust the will of the people then you really don't trust democracy (you just CLAIM to but in truth trust more in Totalitarianism).
Ken
democracy is MOB rule
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”..Thomas Jefferson
So?
It doesn't mean the Brotherhood is the ONLY protest group, nor does it mean they are running ANYTHING, nor does it mean they will emerge the victor. In this country we BELIEVE in the right to hold ANY views you want. You can if you wish run for office as a Communist or Religious Nut (of ANY religious variety) THAT is part of our RIGHTS (to hold desenting views). Banning the Brotherhood has done NOTHING but make them more popular. Freedom means freedom to have desenting views. And if you don't believe in that then you don't REALLY believe in FREEDOM (you just believe in having things YOUR WAY). In other words they same way a DICTATOR thinks.
Ken
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