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I'm excited to see the future of America in failure.
Since 50% of blacks pay no income tax that will be a really solid tax base in the future.
Hispanics do slightly better with about 40% not paying income tax.
Overall about 30% of Americans don't pay income tax. I think if we can get this number up to 50%+ we can see some wonderful improvements! Maybe remake America to reflect a blend of Mexico and Africa-like conditions!!!
Sorry, it has been a few years since I discussed this.
"When we combine the populations of non-payers and non-filers and look to see what overall percentage of each group is not paying taxes, we find that: 50.7 percent of African American households pay no income taxes, 35.5 percent of Asian American households do not, 37.6 percent of White American households do not, and roughly 52 percent of Hispanics pay no income taxes." The Tax Foundation - Number of Americans Outside the Income Tax System Continues to Grow
I was wrong:
50.7% of blacks don't pay
52% of Hispanics don't pay
37.6% of whites don't pay
35.5% of Asians don't pay
Good thing the fastest growing groups are the non paying ones. That's a sure fire way to have success.
What does that have to do with the price of rice in China?
The topic of the thread is have multiculturism/intergration failed thus far? THUS FAR, we are not completely integrated, so yes it has failed.
Since integration is an on-going process, and can never be 100% achieved, you are logically unable to conclude that it has been a failure. As long as people keep immigrating, there will always be more integration that has to be done.
What does that have to do with the price of rice in China?
The topic of the thread is have multiculturism/intergration failed thus far? THUS FAR, we are not completely integrated, so yes it has failed.
Price of rice in China may be an issue in your mind, I was speaking of understanding a development with a baseline. You know, there is such a thing as a "baseline" when you draw comparisons.
Unless your idea of figuring out price of rice is... it will cost you 100.
Sorry, it has been a few years since I discussed this.
"When we combine the populations of non-payers and non-filers and look to see what overall percentage of each group is not paying taxes, we find that: 50.7 percent of African American households pay no income taxes, 35.5 percent of Asian American households do not, 37.6 percent of White American households do not, and roughly 52 percent of Hispanics pay no income taxes." The Tax Foundation - Number of Americans Outside the Income Tax System Continues to Grow
I was wrong:
50.7% of blacks don't pay
52% of Hispanics don't pay
37.6% of whites don't pay
35.5% of Asians don't pay
Good thing the fastest growing groups are the non paying ones. That's a sure fire way to have success.
You do know that income taxes are not the sole source of government revenue?
There are other federal taxes that must be taken into account...payroll taxes.
Not to mention any state or local taxes that are paid.
Plus, the reason why Hispanics and Blacks pay less is because, due to previous grievances and current discrimination, they get less.
Your stat that the fastest growing groups are the non paying ones is incorrect. Actually, Asians are the second fastest growing demographic in America currently. Multi-racial/ multi-ethnic Americans take the top spot. Hispanics third. Blacks fourth.
Posted by whatyousay It worked in the US in the past because new immigrants had the desire to integrate into society.
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Originally Posted by Booya
Bingo! Well said.
You hit the nail on the head.
People use to come to our country and assimilate.
They accepted our culture. Not to say they did not continue with their traditions and enjoy their culture, but they were eager to join in and became an "American!". They didn't try to force their culture on their new country.
That's the opposite of multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism has a number of different meanings. At one level the term means the appreciation, acceptance or promotion of multiple cultures, applied to the demographic make-up of a specific place, usually at the organizational level, e.g. schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities or nations. In this sense multiculturalism approximates to respect for diversity.
The reason multiple cultures have thrived in America is because they truly wanted to become Americans, NOT TO PROMOTE THIER CULTURE (Multiculturalism) above it. These days, the majority of immigrants, and especially illegals, coming into the country intend to "get what they can".
Immigrants have always come here to make a better life for themselves. The difference is they no longer care about becoming Americans. Why should they, our Government doesn't care anymore either.
You do know that income taxes are not the sole source of government revenue?
There are other federal taxes that must be taken into account...payroll taxes.
Not to mention any state or local taxes that are paid.
Plus, the reason why Hispanics and Blacks pay less is because, due to previous grievances and current discrimination, they get less.
Your stat that the fastest growing groups are the non paying ones is incorrect. Actually, Asians are the second fastest growing demographic in America currently. Multi-racial/ multi-ethnic Americans take the top spot. Hispanics third. Blacks fourth.
They pay less because they are baby factories and choose to drop out of school and do things that result in failure (aka live like they're in Mexico or Africa). Many kids+low income= no taxes or EITC.
In 2050 blacks and Hispanics will make up 50% of the population. And half won't pay income tax, and a lot of those will get back more than they pay in.
Everyone should look forward to a country that is a blend of Mexico and Africa.
I hope like hell whites and Asians leave in record numbers so the USA dives out of control even faster. Hopefully Europe and Australia will learn from our failure.
Immigrants have always come here to make a better life for themselves. The difference is they no longer care about becoming Americans. Why should they, our Government doesn't care anymore either.
Without challenging the validity of your statement, let me put this to you for consideration:
Since we are speaking about South Americans, if we all agree that the purpose of immigration is to make a better life for themselves, that the choice becomes make a better life now as an illegal or wait in hopes of someday obtaining legal status. Depending on one the desperateness of one's situation, the rational choice may well be to choose the path of illegality despite the fact that it is a choice which forecloses the possibility of legal status in the future. That being the case why would anyone care about becoming an American when that isn't a option to begin with?
Without challenging the validity of your statement, let me put this to you for consideration:
Since we are speaking about South Americans, if we all agree that the purpose of immigration is to make a better life for themselves, that the choice becomes make a better life now as an illegal or wait in hopes of someday obtaining legal status. Depending on one the desperateness of one's situation, the rational choice may well be to choose the path of illegality despite the fact that it is a choice which forecloses the possibility of legal status in the future. That being the case why would anyone care about becoming an American when that isn't a option to begin with?
Oddly enough assimilation of second generation illegal immigrants still exists, slightly lower (this is more due to socio-economics and thus lower educational attainment), but it's there.
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