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Old 02-15-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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It worked in the US in the past because new immigrants had the desire to integrate into society. The majority of immigrants shared common European heritage and were more similar than dissimilar. Even Asian immigrants integrated well since they shared a common work ethic and desire to succeed.

We are now seeing large influxes of immigrants who have no desire to do so, and prefer to remain separate from society. There are major cultural clashes, and I don't see that changing.
Nonsense. The first generation doesn't even have the time to integrate. They are too busy working. Furthermore, all their clergy, shopkeepers etc spoke their languages and neighborhoods had newspapers in their languages. The vast majority of Hispanic immigrant's children assimilate. Some just happen to focus on the few that don't.

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Bingo! Well said.
You hit the nail on the head.
People use to come to our country and assimilate.

They accepted our culture. Not to say they did not continue with their traditions and enjoy their culture, but they were eager to join in and became an "American!". They didn't try to force their culture on their new country.
When is the last time somebody shoved a Mexican flag in your face and forced you to eat some ceviche?

I live in Houston and live by a neighborhood where all the street signs are in Vietnamese and Chinese. They have Vietnamese and Chinese newspapers. Nobody seems to care. Yet when Mexicans put their signs in Spanish and read "Rumbo", many people are offended.

I find this very telling.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:25 PM
 
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Oddly enough assimilation of second generation illegal immigrants still exists, slightly lower (this is more due to socio-economics and thus lower educational attainment), but it's there.
It's not odd to me, since I didn't accept the author's premise to begin with. For example the Neo-Know Nothings see to be totally oblivious to the fact that there are some 28,591 non-citizens serving in the U.S. military.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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So what about a multi-ethnic mono-cultural society! America already tried the mono-racial, mono-cultural society (which BTW is one of the reasons why multiculturalism exists today) and neither extremes worked. How about giving the "de facto welcoming with open arms" to all ethnic and religious minorities who have and are willing to assimilate.

It's pretty simple. Canada seems to do a pretty damn good job with that.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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open arms" to all ethnic and religious minorities who have and are willing to assimilate.

It's pretty simple.
I dying to know what the yard stick for assimilation is and who gets to decide what it should be.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:59 PM
 
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It's not odd to me, since I didn't accept the author's premise to begin with. For example the Neo-Know Nothings see to be totally oblivious to the fact that there are some 28,591 non-citizens serving in the U.S. military.
Are they not paid to be in the military? I'm not bashing them for joining the military and in fact commend it, however they are paid to do the job. Wouldn't that be 28k more jobs filled by non-citizens in a time of huge unemployment?

Consider there are over 1.43M people serving in the US military at the moment. So, 28,000 is a very small number (just over 1%). I live in Los Angeles where 7% (or more) of our population are here illegally.

Please see Illegal Immigrants in California

Maybe people living in Los Angeles, and especially SoCal and AZ, just have a better awareness of the real problems with the current situation. Come here and live for a couple years and you'll understand a little better.
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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I dying to know what the yard stick for assimilation is and who gets to decide what it should be.
How about speaking English? How about being taught in English. Do you know how expensive it is to teach these kids in their native languages? Funny how the millions of Italians, Swedes, Polish and Asians managed to assimilate just fine. I'm 4th generation American who's family passed through Ellis Island from Italy. Funny how we all abandoned Italian to speak English. We even changed our last names to sound American.

We are just churning up the same common sense logic that seems to elude people these days. Welcome to progressivism!

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Old 02-15-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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Are they not paid to be in the military? I'm not bashing them for joining the military and in fact commend it, however they are paid to do the job. Wouldn't that be 28k more jobs filled by non-citizens in a time of huge unemployment?

Consider there are over 1.43M people serving in the US military at the moment. So, 28,000 is a very small number (just over 1%). I live in Los Angeles where 7% (or more) of our population are here illegally.

Please see Illegal Immigrants in California

Maybe people living in Los Angeles, and especially SoCal and AZ, just have a better awareness of the real problems with the current situation. Come here and live for a couple years and you'll understand a little better.
The "problem"? The biggest problem for me back at home was congestion on the 405. In terms of illegal immigrants, I never had a problem. I even went to school in San Bernardino, CA (a city known for illegal immigrants)...I graduated with a 4.45 gpa and writing essays about Democracy in Africa: The Kenya and Cote d'Ivoire models. I think the biggest problem was that there were not many schools like the one I went to, not the illegal "invasion".

The majority of SoCal is fine.
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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In many areas it has resulted in conflct of values since it encourages not adopting common values as in the past;IMO.It also has meant that different cultures are encourage not to adpt but to use polical force to force their values on others .
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:20 PM
 
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In many areas it has resulted in conflct of values since it encourages not adopting common values as in the past;IMO.It also has meant that different cultures are encourage not to adpt but to use polical force to force their values on others .
That's not what we see. We see assimilation with retention of some cultural markers. We don't see hostile takeovers.
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:53 PM
 
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Are they not paid to be in the military? I'm not bashing them for joining the military and in fact commend it, however they are paid to do the job.
My my how military service gets downgraded to "just another job" when the conversation turns to non-citizens.

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Wouldn't that be 28k more jobs filled by non-citizens in a time of huge unemployment?
I haven't noticed anyone being turned way from military service due to a lack of openings as of late. Otherwise your objection makes absolutely no sense.
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