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Old 02-13-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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we dont live in the 50s/60s any more. If you want to live in that time, go find a remote island out in the pacific and start your own country.
Do you think these times are better? That you have more freedom?

Or do you like having the gov telling you how to live your life?
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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Do you think these times are better? That you have more freedom?

Or do you like having the gov telling you how to live your life?
In the 1950s, the force of government was used to drag artists in front of a government panel to defend themselves against accusations of communism. Hundreds were unable to find work afterwards. Do you see anything akin to that happening today?
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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In the 1950s, the force of government was used to drag artists in front of a government panel to defend themselves against accusations of communism. Hundreds were unable to find work afterwards. Do you see anything akin to that happening today?
"You're either with us or against us."
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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Do you also understand that the federal income taxes we pay now are at the lowest rate they've been since 1950?

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950 - USATODAY.com

http://www.nola.com/business/index.s...lowest_si.html
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Old 02-13-2011, 03:02 PM
 
Location: NC
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Limited government has not been the case since Abraham Lincoln started the Civil War.
I have to disagree, I think that in regards to women government has become much more limited since then. The various state governments no longer place broad bans on women owning property, or on suffrage.
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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The question must be asked, what do you mean by "limited government"?

Some people want less taxes, less government organizations, yet on the other hand they want to enforce drug, sex, and religious morality on everyone also.

Some people don't want to enforce morality with government mandates and by outlawing things, yet they want to have higher taxes to pay for social programs that most Americans support.

What happened to "small government" was that both sides want to grow the government to meet their specific desires, but they want smaller government in opposite sides of the equation.

Actually a limited federal government is spelled out quite well in the confines of Articles 1-3 of the US Constitution. Everything else remains with the states and the people. It is long past time the over reach of the federal government STOP!

Index Page - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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Do you think these times are better? That you have more freedom?

Or do you like having the gov telling you how to live your life?
Society evolves. Sometimes for the good, sometimes not. Ohh, and i still have my freedom.
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Actually a limited federal government is spelled out quite well in the confines of Articles 1-3 of the US Constitution. Everything else remains with the states and the people. It is long past time the over reach of the federal government STOP!

Index Page - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Oh please, you and I both know that both parties have stomped all over a strict constructionist view of the constitution. Hell even Jefferson did it, and he was one of the most strident supporters of the constructionist view.
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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Do you think these times are better? That you have more freedom?

Or do you like having the gov telling you how to live your life?
Could you perhaps offer up an example or two? It's rather hard to debate without having an idea of what concrete government initiatives you're thinking of.
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I find it difficult to fathom the kind of thinking that claims that politicians will somehow work to limit their own power and control over the lives of others. The only real difference between so-called conservatives and so-called progressives is that the former make hypocritical noises about defending individual freedom while limiting that defense to the freedom of the filthy rich, and the latter bleat about how they are only taking over our lives because we are incapable of caring for ourselves.

There is something to recommend the view that governments are most like cancers, in that they replicate otherwise healthy cellular collocations, slowly and inexorably multipling their numbers and vigor, monopolizing available energy and resources, until they become, instead of adjuncts to the organism, its focus, its master and its executioner.

That apologist exist, and in such numbers, for this malignant metastasis, is testament to its ability to spread beyond the body politic to the mind of culture itself.

Either politics is evolution's way to bring to a close the brief terrestial dominance of homo sapiens, or the supreme divinity's conculsive demonstration that the Tree of Life and its abjurations against the knowledge of good and evil, is the final fate of His failed model.

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