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Old 02-21-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Wisconsin passed a law, she can stay on our plan til she is 27.
Shades of Obamacare! Seriously, I'm glad for her. My DH's insurance allowed employees kids to stay on until age 25 (pre-Obamacare) and our oldest daughter did that b/c she was in grad school at the time. Why don't you post on some of these insurance threads where your compatriots on this thread bash young adults for staying on "Mommy and Daddy's" insurance, not being adults, being freeloaders, etc?

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I sincerely hope you know what the term "fair weather" refers to. I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with the weather outside.

In regard to the actual weather yesterday, if you've ever lived in snow, you know how bad it sucks to have to shovel or get out your snowblower just to leave your house. Then you have to deal with the roads. The local news reported yesterday a 1.5 hour commute on the freeway from downtown to Brown Deer, which normally would take maybe 20 minutes.

As to the TPs, how do you know the older ones who are retired are not working part time jobs to help pay bills? They could be working on Saturdays for sure. I don't know what you're getting at with the last line about nurses and police, etc. Maybe they are working...but who cares? Are you making a point about the TP or unions?
"Fair weather" derives from people who won't go out in bad weather.

No, I don't know squat about snow. I have only lived my entire life in the northern US, to wit, Pennsylvania, New York, Delaware (well, they don't get much, and I was only there a year), Illinois (7 years in Champaign), and these 30 years in Colorado. Boo hoo for your snow problems.

The spin on the fact that the TPs couldn't draw as many people as the pro-union protesters is hilarious. We sure didn't hear that stuff in the fall of 2009, when tens of thousands (some of the RWs say hundreds of thousands) showed up in DC on a *Saturday*. I guess none of them were from Wisconsin, where they're all working.
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Old 02-21-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Wrong again!! Not in my area!! My state is pretty much non-union and my area is thriving. Shows you what can happen when unions are not around, huh?

And I will add that our teachers are mostly over qualified. Phd's teaching elementary and middle school.

The same holds true for our police and firemen.

Maybe you need to move. But please, not to where I live.
I live in best state in the union, Texas, a right to work state, see what your assumptions get ya, egg on face, enjoy.
Casper
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Old 02-21-2011, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Gone
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You're just another fear monger turning a balanced budget into Armageddon and showing off your "new math" skills. Just how does deficits, tax and spend economics and ultimate bankruptcy equate into a positive for you? Why can't you understand that unfunded debt is the biggest state killer at this moment and 80% of all unfunded debt is to unsustainable retirement and benefit packages?

You should watch that old cartoon "the world owes me a living" and learn the lesson it teaches. Would you rather have your entitlements trimmed or lost completely? The voters across the nation are definitely watching, and I guarantee the majority are applauding Walker.

The citizenry are weary of having our pockets picked and our profits fleeced.
And you are either completely clueless or being dishonest, because the fight in Wis is not about the budget and never has been, it is about breaking the back of the teachers union and in the process all unions working with the state.
I am all for cutting budgets in a rational manner and I am watching what they are cutting in my state and at the federal level, some of it does not seem like rational cutting to me. Nope from what I am seeing most are not supporting the Gov of Wis and the Patry of No ain't looking so good right now either, and wait until their tactics lead to a government shutdown, their approval rating will drop through the floor. As I have said before, I approve, go for it, I want the new GOP to show their true colors, keep pushing, by the time 2012 comes around people will spit when they say GOP, and that will be that, keep up the good work
Casper
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Old 02-21-2011, 08:34 PM
 
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Default Cry me a river- see link for unionized teacher wage/benefit breakdowns

Wisconsin Teacher Unions | Teachers Payed Higher Than Average Wisconsin | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment
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Wisconsin’s public school teachers and the unions that represent them are saying budget cuts proposed by Republican Gov. Scott Walker would be devastating — but many of those teachers make more money than they’re letting on.


The Daily Caller has broken out the salaries and benefits of teachers who have publicly entered the debate by commenting to the press.
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Old 02-21-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why aren't there protests in Detroit ?
They are talking of completely canceling the teacher union contracts.
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Old 02-21-2011, 09:07 PM
 
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I didn't see any salary that was surprising for someone who probably had to do graduate work and is paying back student loans. Does the average person living in Wisconsin have a graduate degree.
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Old 02-21-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Why aren't there protests in Detroit ?
They are talking of completely canceling the teacher union contracts.
There will be!
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Old 02-21-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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Why aren't there protests in Detroit ?
They are talking of completely canceling the teacher union contracts.
Well, they're talking about closing HALF THE SCHOOLS in Detroit. Why the need for the contract now?

Let's hope this happens in WI.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Your sarcasm is unbecoming, and frankly, I can't figure out what you're asking.
No sarcasm at all. You said you had pics of TPers coming to rallies with children. I want to see you back up that claim, and I was saying I don't want to see pics of them with their own kids, but random kids just to make a point about something or other, as the teachers have done here.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:49 AM
 
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I didn't see any salary that was surprising for someone who probably had to do graduate work and is paying back student loans. Does the average person living in Wisconsin have a graduate degree.
Can you prove the majority of the striking unionized WI teachers have graduate degrees? links!

As a side note, did you know that the lowest scores when gaining degrees, from all other majors, pre and post graduate, come from the education majors?
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