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Old 02-19-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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If it's true that WI's projected surplus was turned into a deficit caused by Scott Walker, than I think this threat title should be changed to "Gov. Scott Walker(R)- puts himself and politics ahead of teachers and students"
I don't even know where to start with this one. You're just going to have to reread one of the many threads about this topic so you can get your facts straight.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Wait, you don't believe that piece, but you do believe Randi Weingarten. That's rich.

I have some tin-foil hats to sell you if you're interested.
I bet you do have tin-foil hats!
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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This angers me to no end.


Wisconsin Teachers Prove Our Point



Union Protests Continue, Teachers Call In Sick Opposing WI Gov's Proposals | TPMDC

And then the final act of inappropriateness:

Shocking Vid: Wis. HS Students Admit Teachers Bringing Them to Protests but Don‘t Know Why They’re There | The Blaze

So, basically, the greedy teachers' unions are calling in sick so they can protest at a political rally, leaving the kids twisting in the wind. Some Milwaukee schools are closed today, and for the second day in a row, some schools are closed in Madison. I also heard that one of the universities is having a staff walkout later today...if I was a student there, I would be PO-ed due to having to pay tuition just to have the teacher not show up to make a point.

When did teachers become so greedy that they put their pay and benefits ahead of teaching students? This is a great argument for why 1) public sector employees should not be allowed to form unions and collectively bargain, 2) public schools cannot possibly provide the best education, at least if unions are as controlling as they are here, 3) unions should not be allowed for the "caring professions" like teachers and healthcare workers b/c it's a conflict of interest. It used to be that you take a public sector job or job in a "caring field" BECAUSE YOU CARE about what you're doing (teaching kids, stopping child abuse, helping the elderly, caring for sick people, etc.), not b/c you can make good money at it.


I would have put this in the WI subforum but this is making national news (it was on Fox this morning) and besides, it's an issue that could affect more than just WI if other states/unions follow suit.
Do the corporatists even have to try when they have FOX News pumping out disinformation to their clueless followers?

Another example of the narrative in action working in concert with the Dumbing Down of America.

Use this post as yet another example of how they've convinced their flock to continually vote against their own best interests and those of their fellow Americans who do not occupy the tax bracket of the highest 2% of wage earners
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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Neither is a teacher in a local school district. However, it is a state law about collective bargaining that the gov. wants to change.
This is a seious question.

What exactly does the gov. want to change about collective bargaining?

I have heard many different stories. What info do you have?
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Your parents could have home-schooled you while on vacation. I would have done this with my children so we could go on the planned vacation. Perhaps your parents were not willing to take the time to do this.
As an expectant mother who plans to homeschool, I am offended by this. You clearly know nothing of homeschooling. It is not for everyone and to imply that a parent is bad b/c they choose not to homeschool is just plain mean. It's not a matter of having the time, either, it's being able to teach your child day in and day out (not just about life but about school subjects), with patience and creativity. And doing school stuff during vacation and all times of year with no time off is not what homeschooling is about, either.

I know that was OT but I couldn't let it go unaddressed.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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I have never met anyone who thinks that. Speak for yourself.
I want to college in a University that was principally involved in developing educators - used to be called Missouri Teachers College.

The phrase you would hear there was.

Those that can, do, Those that can't, teach, those that can't teach, teach teachers.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Do you have a union where you work to help promote safe working conditions for employees?
Unions don't do that...Things like OSHA, NFPA etc. do......
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I don't even know where to start with this one. You're just going to have to reread one of the many threads about this topic so you can get your facts straight.
Some facts for you to get straight!

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The Badger State was actually in pretty good shape. It was supposed to end this budget cycle with about $120 million in the bank. Instead, it's facing a deficit. Why?
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More than half of the lower estimate ($117.2 million) is due to the impact of Special Session Senate Bill 2 (health savings accounts), Assembly Bill 3 (tax deductions/credits for relocated businesses), and Assembly Bill 7 (tax exclusion for new employees).
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In English: The governor called a special session of the legislature and signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it helped turn a surplus into a deficit [see update at end of post]. As Brian Beutler writes, "public workers are being asked to pick up the tab for this agenda."
Ezra Klein - Unions aren't to blame for Wisconsin's budget
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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If you have a problem with other people's pay and pension, you are endorsing socialism!
Please explain.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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The Unions already conceded the money and benefits, it is only their right to collective bargain that is at issue. Talk about Kool Aide
That is NOT true and is only what they're trying to say after they have been made fools of.
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