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Old 02-17-2011, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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The Democratic Party has folded Sacramento into one of the tightest one-party grips in contemporary American politics. In November, bucking the national trend, Democrats in California won not just the governorship but 51 Assembly seats to Republicans’ 29, 24 state Senate seats to Republicans’ 14, and every statewide office. With the passage of a referendum lowering the number of legislative votes required to approve a state budget (from a two-thirds majority to a simple majority), California is that rarest of land masses for the 2011 Democratic Party: conquered territory. State Democrats have freedom to rule virtually unchallenged by the scattered, rusticated Republicans.

Farewell, My Lovely - Reason Magazine

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Old 02-17-2011, 10:53 PM
 
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Brown won't touch the state government employment unions who also happened to give him well over a hundred million in the election.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Brown won't touch the state government employment unions who also happened to give him well over a hundred million in the election.
You're right I guess
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Illegal aliens killed California, not public pensions.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The Democratic Party has folded Sacramento into one of the tightest one-party grips in contemporary American politics. In November, bucking the national trend, Democrats in California won not just the governorship but 51 Assembly seats to Republicans’ 29, 24 state Senate seats to Republicans’ 14, and every statewide office. With the passage of a referendum lowering the number of legislative votes required to approve a state budget (from a two-thirds majority to a simple majority), California is that rarest of land masses for the 2011 Democratic Party: conquered territory. State Democrats have freedom to rule virtually unchallenged by the scattered, rusticated Republicans.

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As long as they don't come to the rest of us for money, they should have the kind of government they want/vote for.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:05 AM
 
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As long as they don't come to the rest of us for money, they should have the kind of government they want/vote for.

i agree. i have no problems whatsoever with how california chooses to run their state.

but when they come back to the federal government, asking for a state bailout, since they can't pay what they owe... that's a different story altogether.

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Old 02-18-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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what they need is HONESTY in the status of the public pensions. they are completely underfunded and somebody is going to have to pay for them. there was a bill addressing the issue, but i am not sure that it is going anywhere:

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Independent studies demonstrate that public employee pensions had approximately $1.94 trillion set aside to pay retirement benefits promised to government workers as of 2008. However, these pensions have liabilities of $5.17 trillion, which means that they are underfunded by $3.23 trillion. Ten states including Oklahoma, Louisiana, Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut, Arkansas, West Virginia, Kentucky, Hawaii, and Indiana are projected to run out of pension funds by 2020, the vast majority of states will have exhausted their pension funds by 2030.

“State and local governments’ empty coffers should not be ignored, nor should they become dependent on federal bailouts to ensure the fiscal soundness of their pension plans. Increasing pension fund transparency will make lawmakers more accountable to taxpayers and compel them to deal with the reality of their fiscal crisis,” said Thomas Schatz, President of Citizens Against Government Waste.

“By requiring accurate accounting, disclosure online and certifying the end of federal bailouts, the Public Employee Pension Transparency Act would address the underlying deficiencies that have allowed states and municipalities to be fiscally reckless with their pension plans,” said Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform.

this bill would prohibit the federal government from bailing out underfunded states in the future. these issues need to be addressed now before they get worse.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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First thing to do NOW is to stop abuses like allowing overtime to count toward final pension amounts. This one would at least be "easier" to get thru. The rest, while I support many changes, is much much more difficult.

In many places lower ranking employees will deliberately and on schedule call out and a near retirement person will miraculously be working that day... on overtime... which counts for the pension.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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Brown won't touch the state government employment unions who also happened to give him well over a hundred million in the election.
Brown won't do anything but pretend that his faux church-mouse existance makes any sort of difference. He is a fraud, or should I say, a Democrat. Frauds a worse
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I love the way conservatives underpay, compared to their sacred private sector, state and municipal workers and then want to continue to underpay their pensions. I consider this to be nothing more than the creation of a permanent under paid class of employees. The guy driving the garbage truck is not getting rich. The guy keeping the town computer network functioning could make far more in the private sector at a much higher risk of unemployment.

The pensions were negotiated in lieu of private sector wages. It is not the employees’ fault that the government refused to raise taxes enough to fund the pensions. I suppose this was done in order to avoid taxing the wealth just as is dome with Federal Taxes.

I suggest making accounting rules require that both private and public pensions be fully funded. The rules should also protect private corporations from having paid up pension funds used against them in hostile takeover situations.
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