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Oh, stop the bull****. There are any manner of violent crimes, sexual assaults are only one. And the cause is a CRIMINAL. In any case, the victim SHOULD be asking themselves what they could have done differently, in order to learn and avoid being victimized again. If my house is burglarized, I'm going to think about an alarm system or better locks. If I'm mugged, I'm going to think maybe I should have paid better attention to my surroundings, or perhaps shouldn't have been there without a means of defending myself. If I'm assaulted, I would hope to learn and provide for a means of self defense. Humans are smart, they should be able to learn from their experiences.
Rape is a terrible crime and rapists are human scum. But plenty of other crimes are equally horrific. And in each case, the victim (if they aren't a complete idiot) should be examining what they can do to avoid being a victim again. To say that it's the rapists (or any other criminals) fault is certainly true. It doesn't change the fact that criminals exist...or that the police in the vast majority of cases won't be there to stop a crime. At best, they will investigate it.
As horrific as rape is, I would hope most victims would learn and take measures to defend themselves. A few rapists shot by a potential victim would do a lot to reduce the rape rate...far more than any feel good "rape prevention/sensitivity meetings" or other such BS. If a crime victim has something to feel guilty about...it should be because the criminal was able to walk away and do the same thing to yet another victim.
FFS. YOu think a woman who has been raped doesn't question what she could have done to prevent that from occurring. If anything self blame, shame and so forth is what STOPS them from coming forward.
A woman can be well versed in how to defend herself. What actually happens in that moment can be very different to what she thought she would/could do. If there are three men holding her down, what is best option?? What if she's half drugged. What if it was her uncle, friend, brother?? What if she's in a state of shock.
I have no qualms with rapists getting shot. None at all. If you think all women in that moment are going to be able to do that, you're living in a fantasy world.
Yes, women have responsibility for rape as well. Then again, I highly doubt most rape accusations are even true.
Of course. Anything to support the fantasy that all women and "feminized men" are part of the feminazi super evil liberal agenda movement.
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Any man who's affiliated or supports feminism is a tool and should be ashamed of himself.
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A vasectomy ban would be a major mistake. Libs making hard for normal men to get vasectomies. They better not push that proposal in my state.
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Men aren't trying to do anything negative to women. We're not trying to take away chicks' rights, although I really could careless if that ever happens.
FFS. YOu think a woman who has been raped doesn't question what she could have done to prevent that from occurring. If anything self blame, shame and so forth is what STOPS them from coming forward.
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The victim should have no sense of shame for being a victim, or of coming forward. It's the criminal that should feel shame (and loathing). That doesn't mean she shouldn't question what she could have done differently, and apply that to avoid being a victim again. As an example, I ride motocycles. After any close call (or wreck) I look long and hard at what I did, and could have done differntly to avoid such a situation. Better safety gear, staying off main roads at rush hour, better focus on my surroundings, ect. Not the same thing as being a crime victim, but the principle is the same. Think, learn and apply what you've learned. That is not the same as blaming the victim.
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A woman can be well versed in how to defend herself. What actually happens in that moment can be very different to what she thought she would/could do. If there are three men holding her down, what is best option?? What if she's half drugged. What if it was her uncle, friend, brother?? What if she's in a state of shock.
A gun isn't a magic cure to all violent crime, I never claimed it was. It can be a means of self defense. Equally important, it can be a means of ensuring that there is no other victim of this particular attacker. In each of your examples, the victim should be asking themselves the same questions... "If she's alf drugged"...how did she get drugged, and how does she keep it from happening again?
Uncle/friend/brother? Has she gone to the police, had them prosecuted and testified against them? Or has she assisted them in becoming organic fertilizer? Or are they free to do the same thing again?
3 guys? How did they get close enough to get ahold of her, particularly somewhere that there wasn't a crowd around. These are the kinds of questions any crime victim (or hopefully, before they become a victim) should be asking.
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I have no qualms with rapists getting shot. None at all. If you think all women in that moment are going to be able to do that, you're living in a fantasy world.
I live in no such world. My reply was in response to the comment that rape victims are the only ones that are asked what they did to cause it. She didn't cause it, the question she should be asking is what can she do to prevent it from happening again. This is no different than any other crime victim.
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Yes, those people can commit rape and get away with it. And men can't report it because they'll get laughed at.
Oh yeah, it's all part of the Feminazi movement. The feminized men are attacking the normal men! Everyone hide!
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You know what's funny? These feminists have accused me of not seeing women as humans. I have to say that normal feminine women are human, but not the ones influenced by feminism.
Straight up, dude. I think that there should be segregation between normal people and the feminists (female or male). Things would probably be easier for normal people and their relationships without feminist interference.
It's too bad feminism and the corrupt elite runs America, and not real normal people.
The victim should have no sense of shame for being a victim, or of coming forward. It's the criminal that should feel shame (and loathing). That doesn't mean she shouldn't question what she could have done differently, and apply that to avoid being a victim again. As an example, I ride motocycles. After any close call (or wreck) I look long and hard at what I did, and could have done differntly to avoid such a situation. Better safety gear, staying off main roads at rush hour, ect. Not the same thing as being a crime victim, but the principle is the same. Think, learn and apply what you've learned. That is not the same as blaming the victim.
A gun isn't a magic cure to all violent crime, I never claimed it was. It can be a means of self defense. Equally important, it can be a means of ensuring that there is no other victim of this particular attacker. In each of your examples, the victim should be asking themselves the same questions... "If she's alf drugged"...how did she get drugged, and how does she keep it from happening again?
Uncle/friend/brother? Has she gone to the police, had them prosecuted and testified against them? Or has she assisted them in becoming organic fertilizer? Or are they free to do the same thing again?
3 guys? How did they get close enough to get ahold of her, particularly somewhere that there wasn't a crowd around. These are the kinds of questions any crime victim (or hopefully, before they become a victim) should be asking.
I live in no such world. My reply was in response to the comment that rape victims are the only ones that are asked what they did to cause it. She didn't cause it, the question she should be asking is what can she do to prevent it from happening again. This is no different than any other crime victim.
The question people should be asking isn't what did the victim do to get raped,
the question people should be asking is why did the rapist commit the rape?
The question people should be asking isn't what did the victim do to get raped,
the question people should be asking is why did the rapist commit the rape?
I can agree with that
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