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Old 02-19-2011, 02:01 AM
 
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Fewer Black, Hispanic Students Admitted To City's Elite Public High Schools - NY1.com

A NYC DOE spokesman said something about outreach. Uh, what about kids taking mature initiative and reaching out to these elite schools and finding out early on how to get in?? (the earlier the better, meaning not putting it off until the last half of 8th grade)

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Old 02-19-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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So?

Does the prospect of helping Black and Hispanic children achieve, scare you?
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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So?

Does the prospect of helping Black and Hispanic children achieve, scare you?
Are you suggesting we "hand" more minority kids places at these schools, based on their skin color and last name, and not based on their academic achievement? Besides this is NYC, you know, one of those "tolerant, open-minded, diverse" bastions of liberalism that's not admitting students of color
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Are you suggesting we "hand" more minority kids places at these schools, based on their skin color and last name, and not based on their academic achievement? Besides this is NYC, you know, one of those "tolerant, open-minded, diverse" bastions of liberalism that's not admitting students of color
No.

Why do people (of a certain persuasion) push back so harshly when children, who may not have the advantage of proactive parents, are given an opportunity to develop their naturally inclined intellect so that they can achieve academically.

The same people that complain about "hand-outs" to minorities see no problem with using their connections to get their children into prestigious private schools and colleges. They have zero qualms about giving their children "the advantage". But heaven forbid a "brown" child gets a hand-up to help themselves to have a successful future.

This is not a liberal vs conservative argument...this is about helping America's children (all of America's children) to be productive in the future. The sooner that some people realize that America's future does not equate to strictly giving academic advantages to wealthy White children, the better America's future will be.
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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That's a pretty sad admission by the Dept. of Ed. that most of their schools provide a low "quality" of education. Instead of trying to get more blacks and Hispanics in the "specialized", "elite" schools, why not try to make all schools "specialized" and "elite"?
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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In our quest for diversity and equality we have given up ability/skill.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:22 PM
 
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No.

Why do people (of a certain persuasion) push back so harshly when children, who may not have the advantage of proactive parents, are given an opportunity to develop their naturally inclined intellect so that they can achieve academically.

Because these children DON'T WANT to learn, they don't want to succeed. Stop wasting money on the then subsequent losers, because they chose to be. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

The same people that complain about "hand-outs" to minorities see no problem with using their connections to get their children into prestigious private schools and colleges. They have zero qualms about giving their children "the advantage". But heaven forbid a "brown" child gets a hand-up to help themselves to have a successful future.

I have no connections at all. I was raised poor. I come from a poor neighborhood and so do all my relatives in Puerto Rico. Funny you prejudiced me by thinking I was a white, middle class Caucasian male because I didn't agree with the OP

This is not a liberal vs conservative argument...this is about helping America's children (all of America's children) to be productive in the future. The sooner that some people realize that America's future does not equate to strictly giving academic advantages to wealthy White children, the better America's future will be.
Wrong. I don't advocate wasting resources on children that will never be productive. You seem to think that all successful children are white because they are white. No, you are flat out wrong. They are successful because learning is equated to something as "acting white" and most black and Hispanic kids want to be like rapsters or reggaetoneros when they are in school because people identify most of members of their OWN ethnic group. Stop subsidizing failure in the name of political correctness!
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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Hm, letting the underachievers into a school for overachievers will only result in turning the school into an underachieving school .
Why don’t they just call the other schools, “Super-Duper Summa *** Laude Magnet Advancement High”. That will distract the undereducated into thinking they are going to the best school because it has the smartest (coolest) name! Isn’t that what we all want? To make our kids feel like they are smart!


(Ha ha, City Data blocked out the "Summa _______ Laude", politically correct huh!)

The bottom line is those who don't make the grade are not as worthy of the education as those who can/did make the grade. Get smarter!
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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In our quest for diversity and equality we have given up ability/skill.
That's just total bullsh*************t.

To get into an elite college or unveristy nobody is going to get through the process if it is clear that you aren't capable of doing the work.


Nobody is going to be given a high level corporate job where decisions that could result in millions and some cases billions of dollars are at stake unless that person has shown the capability of performing in that position.

Nobody is going to be put in command of a battlion, brigade, or division unless they have demonstrated some level of compotency.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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No.

Why do people (of a certain persuasion) push back so harshly when children, who may not have the advantage of proactive parents, are given an opportunity to develop their naturally inclined intellect so that they can achieve academically.

The same people that complain about "hand-outs" to minorities see no problem with using their connections to get their children into prestigious private schools and colleges. They have zero qualms about giving their children "the advantage". But heaven forbid a "brown" child gets a hand-up to help themselves to have a successful future.

This is not a liberal vs conservative argument...this is about helping America's children (all of America's children) to be productive in the future. The sooner that some people realize that America's future does not equate to strictly giving academic advantages to wealthy White children, the better America's future will be.
Because a substantial number of people in this country don't give a damn about giving economically disadvantage people any chance at all to improve their lives.

The core of Conservative principles is if you are not rich or you don't have any economic resources then f************ y*************.
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