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Old 03-05-2011, 11:14 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Liberal mentality.. Support taxes.. Thats their only solution....

pghquest, there have been other topics where we agreed, so how can I be called a liberal? Or maybe it is just depending on the issue determines my stance?

But I am not going to just support business rights to profit and just say "oh well" to someone not having treatment or a premium so high it is not affordable. And so far, taxes are the only solution to covering the "undesirable".
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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If just ONE American is forced to buy health-care when they don't want it then the law should be repealed, period. Nobody should be forced by the government to buy something if they don't want it just to be a citizen.
So no car insurance too? The reason they're 'forcing' you to buy it is cause if insurance companies can't deny you for preconditions, then people would just buy insurance right before they need major work, while not paying into the system honestly, which would bankrupt the insurers.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Northeastern states with the exception of New Hampshire have notoriously been "bad" states for health insurance because the state legislatures managed to get their foot in the door of health insurance carriers to the point where they started lording over them and requiring them to "cover" rediculous things such as hair transplants for men as was done in Massachusetts not to mention more and more preventative things rather than medically necessary things like it used to cover. (Think about it: does your auto insurance cover any maintanence on your car? Of course not. You take that responsibility as you should for your health.)
exactly

do you call your home INSURANCE company everytime yo want to repaint you rooms??
do you call your auto INSURANCE company, when you need tires or a check-up??

then why should you call a health insurance company for an annual wellness check....call them for the big things, you pay the little things...it just makes sense
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:17 AM
 
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All these bloodsuckers are concerned about is their investors and that's it. And they all can lose it all as far as I'm concerned. Any poster who sells health insurance on this thread, get the swing in selling cars because in a few years that's exactly what you'll be doing.
I hope so.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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Bull.. There is a HUGE difference between a governmental safetynet for those who CANT get insurance, and REQUIRING those who can, get it.. Until you learn the difference and understand THIS is the disagreement, your postings will be discredited as just more whining and moaning of bs..

I never supported forced insurance. I support a safety net for those who need it. Let all know that. But that does mean taxes and all of us chipping in to a pool to make sure it happens. Those that say "not my responsibility for that" is who I address.

You know, sometimes problems are better solved when all contribute, sometimes 2 heads are better than 1. That isn't "socialism" as some seem to call it and how it will destroy America supposedly.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So no car insurance too? The reason they're 'forcing' you to buy it is cause if insurance companies can't deny you for preconditions, then people would just buy insurance right before they need major work, while not paying into the system honestly, which would bankrupt the insurers.
1. car insurance is mandated at the STATE level...not federal
2. car insurance can deny you coverage...if you have too many accidents or tickets

insurance is not care
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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tell me why it costs thousands to buy insurance
insurance company profit
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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I think forcing people to buy something they don't need is wrong.

It is also wrong for someone to avoid a doctor because of cost and then unknowingly infect others with some sort of disease, and there are diseases out there that can do that.

From an infectious disease standpoint there should be no excuse for getting treatment ASAP if a mandatory insurance requirement removes the cost stigma, then so be it. It is simply the lesser of two evils. An individual's rights should not have a negative impact on the lives of others.

In a way, it is similar to the concept of quarantine. It is not right to imprison an individual, but is it right to let them stroll around and be a risk to infect others?
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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No, I think it's ridiculous to think the solution to health care costs is everyone put something aside in the bank to cover health care expenses. You do realize that most folks don't go to the doctor every day. We are not all sick at the same time. One payer, one pool is the only answer.
If you pay $50 a week for health insurance, then you put $50 a week SOMEWHERE, (I'd say bank but that might confuse you again), and buy catastrophic insurance which is relatively cheap..

When you DO get sick, that $50 a week you have been saving somewhere pays UP TO the catastrophic insurance limits, and the insurance companys pays everything OVER that limit.. If you have $50K in the bank, then you get a $50K catastrophic insurance... I have $100K catastrophic insurance.. Not that I have $100K in the bank, but I could come up with it and it wouldnt be a financial drain on my family..
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It would even provide for employers not to have to pay for health insurance for their employees. Do you know auto makers pay more for health insurance coverage for their employees than they do for the steel they put in their cars.
Yes and? Do you think this cost would magically disappear? WRONG.. They would simply change how they are paid under your scenario.. Do you think healthcare is FREE if the government provides it?
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There are certain things that can be private in this Corporate society we live. A Health Care system is not
one of them.
Why stop at health insurance? Maybe we should pay a national water tax and provide everyone with free water.. you obviously would admit water is needed right? Ohh and housing.. we all need homes, and we all die, so clearly we should all pay a national death tax yearly to cover our burrial expenses when we die right?

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Chances are, statistically, when you or I will need the most expensive health care in our life - it will be within 6 months of our death. And we will be on a government program - It's called Medicare
And? No one is suggesting medicare be abolished..

Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 03-05-2011 at 09:25 PM.. Reason: Deleted personal attacks
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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pghquest, there have been other topics where we agreed, so how can I be called a liberal? Or maybe it is just depending on the issue determines my stance?

But I am not going to just support business rights to profit and just say "oh well" to someone not having treatment or a premium so high it is not affordable. And so far, taxes are the only solution to covering the "undesirable".
You have no problem with Governmet profiting though do you? Remember, Obamacare is supposed to run a "surplus" reduce the national deficits right? Isnt that the liberal argument to support it? So yes.. They are generating a profit are they not or there wouldnt be a surplus..

No outrage over that ha?
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