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Old 02-21-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Beck to Start “The Blaze” Website to Counter GlennBeckReport.com

So here comes Glenn with his own “news” website. Guess who’s going to do the “news” for him? Why, it’s Scott Baker, formerly of Breitbart TV! Why not? They sure are known for their journalistic integrity. Breitbart never met a lie he couldn’t amplify and repeat, so I’m sure Baker will fit in just fine with the Beck machine. The photo to the left is Beck and Baker from 10/9/09 discussing a wild and totally made up conspiracy theory involving Wade Rathke, Deepak Bhargava, and Barack Obama. Ohmigod, they gush, Deepak Bhargava and Obama were at Harvard at the SAME TIME! It’s another plot to overthrow the government and turn us into Kenya!
http://glennbeckreport.com/2010/08/b...eckreport-com/


You're joking...right?

Maddow= Intelligence and Integrity

Beck = Insanity
Nice Deflection But RACHEL MADDOW has been found WRONG! More than one out there saying it! And anyone with any common sense knows it. (But that may not include Dems.)
http://politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...ve-budget-sur/
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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Rachel Maddow says Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year: FALSE!



PolitiFact Wisconsin | Rachel Maddow says Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year
Sorry. Typing in bold caps does not make it true. You are wrong.

Republican Governor Deliberately Spent Wisconsin Surplus To Pick Fight With Unions

Furthermore, this broadside comes less than a month after the state's fiscal bureau -- the Wisconsin equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office -- concluded that Wisconsin isn't even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. In fact, they say that the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.

Republican Governor Deliberately Spent Wisconsin Surplus To Pick Fight With Unions | Crooks and Liars
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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Sorry. Typing in bold caps does not make it true. You are wrong.

Republican Governor Deliberately Spent Wisconsin Surplus To Pick Fight With Unions

Furthermore, this broadside comes less than a month after the state's fiscal bureau -- the Wisconsin equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office -- concluded that Wisconsin isn't even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. In fact, they say that the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.

Republican Governor Deliberately Spent Wisconsin Surplus To Pick Fight With Unions | Crooks and Liars

I didn't type in bold print, that is the headline!

It is also a LIBERAL source saying she's false.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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Maddow, like most leftist newsies, is a liar, which is to be expected.
Oh for Pete's sake--the article that proved your point said the information given to the public was misleading, and that they had to dig much deeper to get the real budget numbers. Maddow DIDN'T LIE if she used the information available.

That still doesn't get to the point of the whole issue--the union employees in Wisconsin have already agreed to take the concessions proposed by the Governor. He's still trying to gut their right to collectively bargain. THAT IS ENTIRELY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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You don't need Rachel to prove to anyone why the Dems are doing what they are doing, you don't need magazines, or the News to tell ya exactly why the Dems are doing what they are doing. In a way they are acting as spoiled brats. Don't like Rachel, her news, her methods, her personality.
Sure...Let's return to the days of no minimum wage, no weekends or earned time off and while we're at it, forget workplace safety and child labor laws.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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I quote:

Maddow and others making the claim all cite the same source for their information -- a Jan. 31, 2011 memo prepared by Robert Lang (http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf - broken link), the director of the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau.

It includes this line: "Our analysis indicates a general fund gross balance of $121.4 million and a net balance of $56.4 million."

We were curious about claims of a surplus based on the fiscal bureau memo.

In writing it when it was released, reporters from the Journal Sentinel and Associated Press had put the shortfall at between $78 million and $340 million. That’s the projection for the end of the fiscal year, June 30, 2011.

Walker himself has settled on $137 million as the deficit figure, a number reporters have adopted as shorthand.

We re-read the fiscal bureau memo, talked to Lang, consulted reporter Jason Stein of the Journal Sentinel’s Madison Bureau, read various news accounts and examined the issue in detail.

Our conclusion: Maddow and the others are wrong.

There is, indeed, a projected deficit that required attention, and Walker and GOP lawmakers did not create it.

The confusion, it appears, stems from a section in Lang’s memo that -- read on its own -- does project a $121 million surplus in the state’s general fund as of June 30, 2011.

But the remainder of the routine memo -- consider it the fine print -- outlines $258 million in unpaid bills or expected shortfalls in programs such as Medicaid services for the needy ($174 million alone), the public defender’s office and corrections. Additionally, the state owes Minnesota $58.7 million under a discontinued tax reciprocity deal.

The result, by our math and Lang’s, is the $137 million shortfall.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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Oh for Pete's sake--the article that proved your point said the information given to the public was misleading, and that they had to dig much deeper to get the real budget numbers. Maddow DIDN'T LIE if she used the information available.

That still doesn't get to the point of the whole issue--the union employees in Wisconsin have already agreed to take the concessions proposed by the Governor. He's still trying to gut their right to collectively bargain. THAT IS ENTIRELY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

maddow is a liar and the unions are ENTIRELY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED for Democrats.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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Sure...Let's return to the days of no minimum wage, no weekends or earned time off and while we're at it, forget workplace safety and child labor laws.
Oh what a crock. The unions brought out the need for laws against all this. Don't need the unions anymore.

BUST 'EM ALL!
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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The Wisconsin unions have already agreed to the Gov. spending cuts and benefit reductions, in toto. Everyone on both sides of the issue acknowledges this fact. So ultimately the middle class government worker will pay for the tax reductions recently enacted for big business. So the budget is not really the issue.

The elepant in the room is collective bargaining. To take away collective bargaining is to strip the union of their power. This is nothing but a blatent attempt to destroy the power of the people who work for state government. This has always been on the republican wish list. To elaborate on the republican strategy, GDP is expected to expand to 3.5-3.9%, nationwide for 2011 based on GAO projections. The economy IS on the rebound. The Wisconsin gov can point to the health of the state budget by the end of the year and take credit for the turn around when his actions have nothing to do with it.

Don't doubt for a minute that this is a national republican strategy and Wisconsin is a test state in the process to eliminate the power of the worker on a national level. They are swinging for the fence on this issue and Maddow is right. The results of this fight will have a far reaching impact on the 2012 elections. Republican govs in other states are monitoring the situation closely.

We can only hope that the republicans overplay their hand in this matter and the rank and file voter see's through this charade.

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Old 02-21-2011, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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In 1994 when we were living in the Ozarks. . .
You lived in the Ozarks? COOL! My family had a condo on the lake (at the 28 mile marker) for years.

As for the Politifact article, I suggest they're splitting hairs.

Okay, the tax breaks for Big Business won't go into effect until next year. Explain how that negates the fact that Governor Fiscal Irresponsible ADDED ANOTHER $140 MILLION SHORTFALL to the state's near-term deficit? And how does it negate the fact that Governor Fiscal Irresponsible is trying to enact legislation that will BUST THE UNION and FORCE THEM to no more than CPI increases in all future years SO THAT HE CAN COVER HIS FUTURE TAX BREAKS TO BIG BUSINESS?

Fact: Governor Fiscal Irresponsible enacted legislation that gives Big Business in his state $140 million in tax breaks.

Fact: Governor Fiscal Irresponsible is attempting to bust the union and their ability to collectively bargain, across ALL the years that his tax breaks will be in effect.

It's a debase political move, period.
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