WI striking unionized teachers could cost taxpayers $9 Million (impeachment, boycott, companies)

[AuDiBelle]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result" - Einstein.

Which is precisely why the voters of Wisconsin elected a Republican governor and repub majorities in the state house and senate this past election. They realized that doing the same thing over and over with the democrats was killing their state.

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

You were talking about fiscal issues that the current economy of the state is facing... is this how fiscal responsibility works? Create a hole, try to make sure it goes unnoticed and blame others? How many times we have to "been there and done that", to recognize the problem?

Wow, you truly do. not. get. it. If businesses relocate to Wisconsin and employ Wisconsinites, tax revenues in the form of personal income tax goes UP. If a hole is even created by these moves initially, it will quickly fill itself.

Don't take my word for it though. Just watch what happens between IL and WI over the next 2 years. Compare and contrast incoming and outgoing businesses and the overall UE rates in each state. This should be a fairly straightforward exercise since the two states stand in stark contrast to each other in how they are attempting to tackle their budget deficits. One is raising corporate income taxes, the other is lowering them. The proof will be in the pudding. As a resident of IL, I absolutely do not want to lose businesses and employers to our neighbor to the North, but the economics will dictate their moves. Wisconsin will be the beneficiary of the idiotic moves the Dumbocrats in Illinois are making.

[AuDiBelle]

Originally Posted by plannine

I gave that, not him.

Don't be dense. He posted it first and I wasn't replying to you anyhow.

Originally Posted by plannine

If that was the case, then every company would move to the Dakotas.

A company either wants, high quality workers or low wage workers.
They are not going to get both.
The first to leave the state will be it's educated work force.

Watch as people and businesses from Illinois move to Wisconsin.

[plannine]

Originally Posted by brien51

Of course Jewish people always took Sat off. That's not what we are arguing here; ie religious holidays. We are establishing WHO instituted the common practice of the weekends off. It was NOT the unions as you stated unless you can PROVE it. Show how and which Union established the weekend off.

It was the unions that made it common place, both inside and outside the union setting. Many of us who are salary, benefit greatly from the benefits given to and gained by the union workers, including most of my 40 years in the workforce.

I showed you my evidence now you show your evidence. My source is History.com. What is yours?

From my source:

Manufacturers all over the country, and the world, soon followed Ford's lead, and the Monday-to-Friday workweek became standard practice.

Your own post stated "Ford Motor Company becomes one of the first companies" - not the first, others before.

The first, of which I know of, was in 1916, in a major industrial setting was Endicott-Johnson shoe factories which made all boots for the military during WWI many years before Ford.

His efforts (to the lower hours) which were a counter to the unions efforts, but it still benefited the people, in the end.

Last year NPR did a program on George Johnson. http://www.npr.org/2010/12/01/131725...he-square-deal

When there is trust and respect between management and labor, there is no need for unions. I don't see that mutual good existing.

[brien51]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result" - Einstein.

You were talking about fiscal issues that the current economy of the state is facing... is this how fiscal responsibility works? Create a hole, try to make sure it goes unnoticed and blame others? How many times we have to "been there and done that", to recognize the problem?

So you finally admit Einstein's quote as I showed you last month. Good for you.... glad to see you can learn even when you denied it at first. But no matter, at least you know now.

Look. The State of Wisconsin is broke. It is the responsibility of the Executive to come up with a budget and have it signed into law by the legislature. Walker has done this and the cowardly Democrats have run away like scalded dogs. They can't hide forever.

When somone goes broke, it means the money coming in doesn't match the money going out. Walker has made the tough decision, no less popular than a STD, but he has submitted the budget and the answer to it from the Democrats is to run away.

It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

When you're broke, there simply is no more money, so one has to stop spending what you don't have to begin with in your bank account. The American public is taxed to death already. The government can only "tax the rich" so much, and even that won't cover the budet problems in today's American economic situation. The M C can't be taxed anymore than they are already so it is spending that must be cut. We don't have a debt problem, we have a spending problem. Excess spending must stop until the debt can be reduced to equal levels of income. It's called a balanced budget.

It is so simple, yet politicans manage to muck it up so much, it has everyone fighting, arguing, and dividing not only Wisconsin, but the entire nation. Better wake up soon and get on the correct side of the ledger.

[georgia dem]

Originally Posted by jojajn

Well then. Governor Walker should prevent this by compromising! The ball is in his court!

Or does Walker have more in mind than balancing a budget?

He should fire the SOB's right along with the democrats that fled the state!
Compromise my ass!
The longer this goes on and will continue to other states the more the unions are showing what goons they are
their days are numbered, you can not spinn this to make anyone stink except the union thugs!!
Shame on all of these asses

[brien51]

Originally Posted by plannine

It was the unions that made it common place, both inside and outside the union setting. Many of us who are salary, benefit greatly from the benefits given to and gained by the union workers





Your own post stated "Ford Motor Company becomes one of the first companies" - not the first, others before.

The first, of which I know of, in a major industrial setting was Endicott-Johnson shoe factories which made all boots for the military during WWI many years before Ford.

I showed you from History.com how the FMC was the LEADER in promting the 5 day work week and from there on it took over as the standard.

What did you show? NOTHING with any evidence. You show anectadotes.


PROVE YOUR ALLEGATIONS. I asked you already but obviously you can't prove it so prattle on until you can show the evidence. With all due repsect, you're "all hat and no cattle" here.


Here is what you wrote:

Originally Posted by plannine
But that's ok. Hopefully you enjoyed your weekend off work with your family. That was brought to you by a union.

You stated UNIONS established the 5 day work week and now you are going on about Endicott johnson. Please, just admit your statement about Unions was inaccurate and be done with it.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by georgia dem

He should fire the SOB's right along with the democrats that fled the state!
Compromise my ass!
The longer this goes on and will continue to other states the more the unions are showing what goons they are
their days are numbered, you can not spinn this to make anyone stink except the union thugs!!
Shame on all of these asses

Since we are name calling now, you do know that the POS in the Governors Mansion does not have that power, don't ya?
Casper

[brien51]

Originally Posted by plannine

Has he been charged and convicted with a crime?

Blame the justice system.

No I blame the Union work rules for protecting this piece of crap. He admitted to the crime. How much more evidence do you need to cut him loose? Shame on the AFT.

And peole like you wonder why the decent average American dislike unions? Try thinking about it.

As for government workers pay vs private sector pay the stats are not on your side:

Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm - broken link)

[SIZE=6]Federal pay ahead of private industry[/SIZE]

Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.
Accountants, nurses, chemists, surveyors, cooks, clerks and janitors are among the wide range of jobs that get paid more on average in the federal government than in the private sector.
Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

CHART: Federal salaries compared to private-sector

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.


Key findings:
• Federal. The federal pay premium cut across all job categories — white-collar, blue-collar, management, professional, technical and low-skill. In all, 180 jobs paid better average salaries in the federal government; 36 paid better in the private sector.
•Private. The private sector paid more on average in a select group of high-skill occupations, including lawyers, veterinarians and airline pilots. The government's 5,200 computer research scientists made an average of $95,190, about $10,000 less than the average in the corporate world.
•State and local. State government employees had an average salary of $47,231 in 2008, about 5% less than comparable jobs in the private sector. City and county workers earned an average of $43,589, about 2% more than private workers in similar jobs. State and local workers have higher total compensation than private workers when the value of benefits is included.

Average federal salaries exceed average private-sector pay in 83% of comparable occupations. A sampling of average annnual salaries in 2008, the most recent data:

Job
Federal Private Difference

Airline pilot, copilot, flight engineer$93,690 $120,012-$26,322

Broadcast technician$90,310$49,265$41,045
Budget analyst$73,140$65,532$7,608
Chemist$98,060$72,120$25,940
Civil engineer$85,970$76,184$9,786
Clergy$70,460$39,247$31,213
Computer, information systems manager$122,020$115,705$6,315
Computer support specialist$45,830$54,875-$9,045
Cook$38,400$23,279$15,121
Crane, tower operator$54,900$44,044$10,856
Dental assistant$36,170$32,069$4,101
Economist$101,020$91,065$9,955
Editors$42,210$54,803-$12,593
Electrical engineer$86,400$84,653$1,747
Financial analysts$87,400$81,232$6,168
Graphic designer$70,820$46,565$24,255
Highway maintenance worker$42,720$31,376$11,344
Janitor$30,110$24,188$5,922
Landscape architects$80,830$58,380$22,450
Laundry, dry-cleaning worker$33,100$19,945$13,155
Lawyer$123,660$126,763-$3,103
Librarian$76,110$63,284$12,826
Locomotive engineer$48,440$63,125-$14,685
Machinist$51,530$44,315$7,215
Mechanical engineer$88,690$77,554$11,136
Office clerk$34,260$29,863$4,397
Optometrist$61,530$106,665-$45,135
Paralegals$60,340$48,890$11,450
Pest control worker$48,670$33,675$14,995
Physicians, surgeons$176,050$177,102-$1,052
Physician assistant$77,770$87,783-$10,013
Procurement clerk$40,640$34,082$6,558
Public relations manager$132,410$88,241$44,169
Recreation worker$43,630$21,671$21,959
Registered nurse$74,460$63,780$10,680
Respiratory therapist$46,740$50,443-$3,703
Secretary$44,500$33,829$10,671
Sheet metal worker$49,700$43,725$5,975
Statistician$88,520$78,065$10,455
Surveyor$78,710$67,336$11,374

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, USA TODAY analysis

http://reason.org/news/show/public-s...-sector-salary

Conclusions


The fact is that state and local government labor costs are continuing to escalate drastically. There is a reason why the City of Vallejo, California, cited skyrocketing pension costs as the chief cause of its fall into municipal bankruptcy, and why many other local governments in California and elsewhere are on the brink of bankruptcy. There is a reason why California's pension costs have been described as unsustainable by everyone from the chief actuary of the California Public Employees' Retirement System to Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, to Democratic State Treasurer Bill Lockyer. There is a reason that governments at the federal, state, and local levels achieve significant cost savings by contracting with private sector businesses to provide a wide variety of services previously performed by government workers. State and local governments in California and across the nation must address public employee compensation levels if they are to maintain any sense of fiscal responsibility, particularly in these difficult economic times.

[city414]

Which is precisely why the voters of Wisconsin elected a Republican governor and repub majorities in the state house and senate this past election. They realized that doing the same thing over and over with the democrats was killing their state.

Incorrect this election had the 2 incompetent runners and walker got the better of it....Barrette the mayor of MKE vs walker county executive who mis managed things

walker was lucky he won in primaries, because people hate Milwaukee,WI.. even when there was an democrat governor the money never came o SE Wisconsin it went elsewhere

[AuDiBelle]

Originally Posted by city414

Incorrect this election had the 2 incompetent runners and walker got the better of it....Barrette the mayor of MKE vs walker county executive who mis managed things

walker was lucky he won in primaries, because people hate Milwaukee,WI.. even when there was an democrat governor the money never came o SE Wisconsin it went elsewhere

What part of "they elected a Republican governor and repub majorities in the state house and senate this past election" is incorrect? Did Walker not win the election? Is his governorship just a figment of everyone's imagination?