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Old 02-24-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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Fed up with what he views as crappy treatment from the TSA, the owner of a restaurant near Seattle-Tacoma International Airport has decided to put all TSA agents on his No-Eat List.
"We have posted signs on our doors basically saying that they aren't allowed to come into our business," one employee tells travel journalist Christopher Elliott. "We have the right to refuse service to anyone."
She says that whenever a TSA agent attempts to dine at the restaurant, "we turn our backs and completely ignore them, and tell them to leave... Their kind aren't welcomed in our establishment."
The restaurant claims that 90% of its patrons are in agreement with their stance and that the local police have actually helped escort TSA workers of the premises.

Seattle-Area Restaurant Refuses To Serve TSA Agents - The Consumerist

Slippery slope here? Or can restaurants refuse service to anyone they want?
Not if it's based on race, gender, ethnicity, national origin or religion. Some states add sexual orientation to that list.
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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I agree. I'm not convinced it's the TSA workers themselves that are the root of the problem. Anytime you have politicians trying to "manage", we get what we deserve.
Some TSA workers are extremely professional and courteous and others are totally lacking in the ability to treat people respectfully and are just people that are obnoxious because they have a little authority or they are just downright rude.


A politican doesn't "make" you rude, disrespectful of obnoxious. That is a decision that is made on an individual basis.
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Old 02-24-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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No, look at the mentality. The TSA ASKS if they are willing to do invasive body searches. If they balk they don't get hired. They don't want people who have sufficent senstitvity that they will respect the public. They want those who will do as asked. When EVERYONE is treated as a suspect and people with disabilites, prostesis and children are abuses as part of the job and they keep on you see a mentality which involves no empathy or respect to others. Adversising for those who will shoot for hire isn't that much of a stretch since its the same mentality.

The ones that become mercinaries and the agents who abuse children and play power games with the public are just different degrees of abusers. And it is the responsibility of BOTH to not choose or become an integral part of the problem.
At what point are you willing to stop blaming the cop for the policy authored by whom? Otherwise known as stuck on stupid. Railing at authority in buckshot fashion creates bigger problems than intended to solve. I'm against the patriot act and strongly disagree with TSA policy. The authors of these policies need to be accountable for what they've authored but where are these unnamed people in all these wild accusations? Janet wrote her own policy? Who wrote this? Who signed off on it?

Present tense politicians need to be given the task of correcting it. I cannot support your buckshot attitudes or this restaurant owner. I refuse to patronize his business and I am less willing to lend my ear to the merits of your case if you persist on this path. The productive solutions will come from the airlines and the passengers because ultimately the TSA (as currently expressed in policy) is both bad for business & an affront to American values.
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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At what point are you willing to stop blaming the cop for the policy authored by whom? Otherwise known as stuck on stupid. Railing at authority in buckshot fashion creates bigger problems than intended to solve. I'm against the patriot act and strongly disagree with TSA policy. The authors of these policies need to be accountable for what they've authored but where are these unnamed people in all these wild accusations? Janet wrote her own policy? Who wrote this? Who signed off on it?

Present tense politicians need to be given the task of correcting it. I cannot support your buckshot attitudes or this restaurant owner. I refuse to patronize his business and I am less willing to lend my ear to the merits of your case if you persist on this path. The productive solutions will come from the airlines and the passengers because ultimately the TSA (as currently expressed in policy) is both bad for business & an affront to American values.
Yes, politicians and agencies need to own up to their responsibilites. But the man on the ground, the agent, has to too. These policies are wrong and do not even work. But they are put into practice by agents. They make the choice to do these things. Nobody made them. We ALL need to have a standard of right and wrong in our jobs and refuse that which is wrong. As the TSA screens that out they have agents who have already said they'd do it. But the result is they must also accept their responsibility in carrying out a bad policy. And if people think they are scum then they should not be blaming those who are victumized. They are doing the act of victimizing. They chose to, take the concequences.

Get rid if the tsa AND their jobs since we don't need that mentality set up with police powers.

"It's my job" is NOT an excuse for justifying wrong acts.

I also think if the airlines wanted to they could exert far more pressure on the government than they will and boycotting flying and those establishments which make money off of it is a justified way of protest. A convention I go to as often as I can will be missed this next year. The hotel is practically inside LAX. The travel industry as a whole NEEDS to put their collective foot down and say no. Only if people withdraw income will they do so.
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:52 AM
 
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Buried somewhere in the massive combined Christmastime TSA thread is a description of how they screen applicants. They are specifically ask about the "pat downs" and if it would make them uncomfortable. They don't want those who will quit after they decide they can't do it I guess. This sort of thing sets a very bad precident since MOST people are not going to want to.
Reminds me of the thuggery quetionnaire for cops.

1) Will you have a problem tasing people?
If it is like shooting a laser weapon then NO

2) Will you have a problem killing people in a small town?
If it is part of my assigned duty, NO

3) Will you have a problem shooting your own family?
I just finished a 24 hour marathon playing of mortal combat, when can I begin and whats for supper?

It's only push button combat and over there, why should I care, their probably old foggies anyhow that are wasting air for me to breathe.
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Seattle-Area Restaurant Refuses To Serve TSA Agents - The Consumerist

Slippery slope here? Or can restaurants refuse service to anyone they want?
TSA agents are not a protected class so I suppose the restaurant could refuse service. But there are practical limits to this 'no eat list' - he's probably served TSA agents out-of-uniform and not known it.

[shrug]
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:58 AM
 
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TSA agents are not a protected class so I suppose the restaurtant could refuse service. But there are practical limits to this 'no eat list'.

[he's probably served TSA agents out-of-uniform and not known it]
All joking aside, I'm sure he has, and am sure he knows it.

It's the TSA policies he is against, not the person, hence, when in uniform, thats what they represent.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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All joking aside, I'm sure he has, and am sure he knows it.

It's the TSA policies he is against, not the person, hence, when in uniform, thats what they represent.
That's what I'm thinking. I work with all sorts of people and some of them I don't like professionally but amusingly enough on a personal, individual level they're all right.
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