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Old 02-22-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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One reason liberals get so excited about the protests and teacher strikes in Wisconsin is that they see this as a battle to preserve the power of the working man -- a noble cause and one many liberals take very seriously.
If you squint just right, you can see it their way: Republicans are fighting to take away collective bargaining rights from unions, who are responding with protest and solidarity. Of course, this blurs the crucial distinction between private-sector unions and government-sector unions. When it comes to stubbornly blurring economic reality so as to demonize your political rivals, you can often count on Paul Krugman.
In his column today, Krugman describes the unions as a "counterweight to the political power of big money."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Paul Krugman epitomizes the current liberal divorce from reality | Timothy P. Carney | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/paul-krugman-epitomizes-current-liberal-divorce-reality#ixzz1EiwiblHG - broken link)
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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Well if he says it enough times it becomes fact to the bobble heads.

And of course they'll continue to ignore his track record of being wrong on just about everything he opens his suck on.
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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Well if he says it enough times it becomes fact to the bobble heads.

And of course they'll continue to ignore his track record of being wrong on just about everything he opens his suck on.

What specifically do you disagree with him about?
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Here's what Krugman REALLY said...

Don't swallow some other writer's opinion of Krugman's words. Read them for yourself.

Here's an excerpt:

For what’s happening in Wisconsin isn’t about the state budget, despite Mr. Walker’s pretense that he’s just trying to be fiscally responsible. It is, instead, about power. What Mr. Walker and his backers are trying to do is to make Wisconsin — and eventually, America — less of a functioning democracy and more of a third-world-style oligarchy. And that’s why anyone who believes that we need some counterweight to the political power of big money should be on the demonstrators’ side.

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.
Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.
You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/op...rssnyt&emc=rss
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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I'm dying to hear in the op's own words where the separation from reality lies.

The state has a deficit, the union is willing to grant concessions based upon that fiscal reality (the tax cuts we reserve for another discussion), but the governor wants more than that, he wants to permanently curtail the right of public employees to collectively bargain. What am I missing?
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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What specifically do you disagree with him about?
1. How about his Keynesian economics
2. Or his thories on the race issue to win political dominance of the South
3. Krugman's "growing tendency to attribute all the world's ills to George Bush,"
4. Greenspan and Phil Gramm as the two individuals most responsible for causing the subprime crisis
5. He as unabashed defender of the welfare state, which he regards as the most decent social arrangement yet devised."[20]

Paul Krugman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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I'm dying to hear in the op's own words where the separation from reality lies.

The state has a deficit, the union is willing to grant concessions based upon that fiscal reality (the tax cuts we reserve for another discussion), but the governor wants more than that, he wants to permanently curtail the right of public employees to collectively bargain. What am I missing?
How about makingit easier for indiviudal towns to negotiate instead of a collective agreement for all - how can individual towns have hte ability to navigate and protect me the taxpayer?

What about not forcing people to join unions and pay union dues if they disagree. Whay must there be a forced participation?
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Don't swallow some other writer's opinion of Krugman's words. Read them for yourself.

Here's an excerpt:

For what’s happening in Wisconsin isn’t about the state budget, despite Mr. Walker’s pretense that he’s just trying to be fiscally responsible. It is, instead, about power. What Mr. Walker and his backers are trying to do is to make Wisconsin — and eventually, America — less of a functioning democracy and more of a third-world-style oligarchy. And that’s why anyone who believes that we need some counterweight to the political power of big money should be on the demonstrators’ side.

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.
Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.
You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/op...rssnyt&emc=rss
I haven't seen anything in Governor Walker's proposals that in any way undermines private sector unions. What's Krugman talking about?
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I haven't seen anything in Governor Walker's proposals that in any way undermines private sector unions. What's Krugman talking about?

All unions.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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One reason liberals get so excited about the protests and teacher strikes in Wisconsin is that they see this as a battle to preserve the power of the working man -- a noble cause and one many liberals take very seriously.
If you squint just right, you can see it their way: Republicans are fighting to take away collective bargaining rights from unions, who are responding with protest and solidarity. Of course, this blurs the crucial distinction between private-sector unions and government-sector unions. When it comes to stubbornly blurring economic reality so as to demonize your political rivals, you can often count on Paul Krugman.
In his column today, Krugman describes the unions as a "counterweight to the political power of big money."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Paul Krugman epitomizes the current liberal divorce from reality | Timothy P. Carney | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/paul-krugman-epitomizes-current-liberal-divorce-reality#ixzz1EiwiblHG - broken link)
Don't look now, but Liberals elected a candidate in 2008 to occupy the Oval Office. Liberalism IS reality. Deal with it.
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