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Old 02-23-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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Let me get this straight. They've had up to 80,000 people at a time show up in Wisconsin to support collective bargaining rights, it's been going on for well over a week, it's spreading all across the country, and you think they must not really support what's going on because the unions had some signs printed for their members?

I've seen grasping at straws before, but this is an all time high. Are you trying to say that the tea party has more validity because everyone made their own signs?

As far as numbers go--the Glenn Beck rally--the biggest tea party gathering ever organized (planned ahead for months and advertised nationally) had 87,000 participants. That's one day worth of protesters in Wisconsin.

Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000 - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

I know it upsets you that people are fighting back over this issue, but you hit a real nerve in this country. I think public workers need to compromise to make state budgets work, but you can't justify gutting collective bargaining as a budget issue. No one is buying it, and that's why you don't have public broad public support on your side.
Wow, you believe the most garbage put out there don't you? Beck's rally had over 300k. Man have you become brainwashed. These union rallies are nothing more than Communist attacks on the American tax payer. The unions should not have more power than the government, which they do with their collective bargaining rights the way they are, they need to be modified. I'm in a public union and still agree to that.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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Wow, you believe the most garbage put out there don't you? Beck's rally had over 300k. Man have you become brainwashed.
You must be thinking of stewart's that destroyed beck in attendance.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:31 PM
 
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Wow, you believe the most garbage put out there don't you? Beck's rally had over 300k.
Yeah, right. What cracks me up is that when the pro-union forces outnumbered the TPs in Madison (haven't heard much about that lately), numbers "didn't mean anything", and the snow kept the TPs at home (but the same snow did not seem to deter the pro-union people).

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Hundreds demonstrate in Colorado in support of Wisconsin unions - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/legislature/ci_17456702?source=pkg - broken link)

No snow here, yet another news station said 100 counter protesters. They don't have their story on the web, but I promise you, I heard it on the radio.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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Big rally in Boston in support for the Wisconsin labor movement, too
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:12 PM
 
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I think this is just the start. Lots of states have backed off on their anti collective bargaining legislation, but I think they're just waiting to see what happens in Madison. If it passes there, they're going to go after it everywhere. That's why lots of union and middle class voters see the Wisconsin fight as the fight of their lives.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:17 PM
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@scarlet_ohara: IMO, the true "thugs" are the ones who raided the pension systems for their own private benefit.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:19 PM
 
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That's why lots of union and middle class voters see the Wisconsin fight as the fight of their lives.
A lot of voters see this as the fight of their lives when it comes to their state surviving.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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@scarlet_ohara: IMO, the true "thugs" are the ones who raided the pension systems for their own private benefit.
Members of both parties have raided pension "trust" funds and things like this for decades to pay for social programs demanded by some of the voters.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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I think this is just the start. Lots of states have backed off on their anti collective bargaining legislation, but I think they're just waiting to see what happens in Madison. If it passes there, they're going to go after it everywhere. That's why lots of union and middle class voters see the Wisconsin fight as the fight of their lives.
This for sure will be one of the biggest stands the working people have, and need to make in recent history. If the Koch's and the ultra right teaparty have their way and the dominoes start to fall, this will lead down a very slippery slope into fascism.
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:24 PM
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Members of both parties have raided pension "trust" funds and things like this for decades to pay for social programs demanded by some of the voters.
I agree. It was bi-partisan theft and misappropriation of funds.

I wonder who the "some" were?
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