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Old 02-23-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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I remember a few months back when right wingers and Republicans were saying that 250K was middle class. Limbaugh and many on here said that Obama is claiming that 250k is rich, when in reality it is middle class. Well these same people call teachers who make 50k, which is 5 times less, greedy!! Someone who makes 5 times less than a middle class person is greedy. OK.

Someone explain this to me?? Spin away teabaggers. This should be interesting.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Default Apples -n- Oranges

One's annual income is one thing, whether it's $50k or $250K. I say both are middle class. However, regardless of my income, I have no right to expect you to pay for my retirement or for my health insurance.

Many government employees - including teachers - have a decent annual income (say, $50k to $150k), plus most recieve a lifetime pension, plus most receive lifetime healthcare benefits.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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Apples -n- Oranges. One's annual income is one thing, whether it's $50k or $250K.
Nice dodge.

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I have no right to expect you to pay for my retirement or for my health insurance.
Teachers contribute to their retirement and health insurance. Many private companies contribute to retirement and health insurance.

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Many government employees - including teachers - have a decent annual income (say, $50k to $150k), .
many teachers make 150K, really, name one. Assuming you can find one, it's still almost half of 250K.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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One's annual income is one thing, whether it's $50k or $250K. I say both are middle class. However, regardless of my income, I have no right to expect you to pay for my retirement or for my health insurance.

Many government employees - including teachers - have a decent annual income (say, $50k to $150k), plus most recieve a lifetime pension, plus most receive lifetime healthcare benefits.
A household earning $250k per year has a higher income than over 97% of American households. I find that hard to consider middle class.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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A household earning $250k per year has a higher income than over 97% of American households. I find that hard to consider middle class.
Let's not digress and argue over whether it's middle class, other threads have addressed that. My point is that how can you call someone greedy when their salary is 5 times less than someone you consider middle class? I don't get it. Wanting a middle class salary = greed. Wow. Remember that folks.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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Recovering Dem had it correct. When you expect someone else (in public sector unions case it is the taxpayer) to pay for the vast majority of your pension and benefits in perpetuity you are greedy.

In private sector jobs it is the company that pays for your benefits. Company A doesn't get to force all of its competitors to ante up to pay for the A's employee insurance and pension.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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Wanting a middle class salary = greed. .
I wouldn't call it greedy but your worth what someone is willing to pay or in this case can afford to pay.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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I remember a few months back when right wingers and Republicans were saying that 250K was middle class. Limbaugh and many on here said that Obama is claiming that 250k is rich, when in reality it is middle class. Well these same people call teachers who make 50k, which is 5 times less, greedy!! Someone who makes 5 times less than a middle class person is greedy. OK.

Someone explain this to me?? Spin away teabaggers. This should be interesting.

Google 'define greed'. Just because they want more doesn't mean they deserve more. Yes life stinks sometimes but they chose to be teachers. I'm tired of them whining.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:47 PM
 
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Google 'define greed'. Just because they want more doesn't mean they deserve more. Yes life stinks sometimes but they chose to be teachers. I'm tired of them whining.
So teachers wanting a middle class salary = greedy. OK.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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many teachers make 150K, really, name one. Assuming you can find one, it's still almost half of 250K.
Here.

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2010 Teacher Details

Name: Kopecky, Brian
Salary: $145,819
Position: High School Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: Physical Education
Years Teaching: 35
Degree: Master's
School Name: Lyons Twp High Sch
District Name: Lyons Twp HSD 204
Back (http://www.championnews.net/ftf_salaries.php - broken link)
Not bad for a gym teacher.

Here's another,

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2010 Teacher Details

Name: Becker, Louis
Salary: $152,614
Position: Special Education Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: Learning Behavior Specialist I
Years Teaching: 30
Degree: Master's
School Name: New Trier Township H S Winnetka
District Name: New Trier Twp HSD 203
Wow, this is easier than I thought:

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2010 Teacher Details

Name: Cadwell, John
Salary: $150,191
Position: Program Supervisor
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: English (Grades 9-12 Only)
Years Teaching: 34
Degree: Master's
School Name: New Trier Township H S Winnetka
District Name: New Trier Twp HSD 203
Another gym teacher, go figure.
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2010 Teacher Details

Name: Napoleon, Michael
Salary: $146,036
Position: High School Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: Physical Education
Years Teaching: 27
Degree: Master's
School Name: New Trier Township H S Winnetka
District Name: New Trier Twp HSD 203
History, anyone?
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2010 Teacher Details

Name: Vargas, Colby
Salary: $150,470
Position: High School Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: U.S. History (Grades 9-12 Only)
Years Teaching: 20
Degree: Master's
School Name: New Trier Township H S Winnetka
District Name: New Trier Twp HSD 203
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2010 Teacher Details

Name: Benson, John
Salary: $152,874
Position: High School Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: Geometry (Grades 9-12 Only)
Years Teaching: 42
Degree: Master's
School Name: Evanston Twp High School
District Name: Evanston Twp HSD 202
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2010 Teacher Details

Name: DeWald, Renee
Salary: $155,904
Position: High School Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: Chemistry (Grades 9-12 Only)
Years Teaching: 33
Degree: Master's
School Name: Evanston Twp High School
District Name: Evanston Twp HSD 202
Drama!

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2010 Teacher Details

Name: Sollers, Thomas
Salary: $159,813
Position: High School Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: Drama/Theatre Arts
Years Teaching: 26
Degree: Master's
School Name: Evanston Twp High School
District Name: Evanston Twp HSD 202

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