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I am not unsymphathetic to what you are saying. I guess I comfort myself in that it does not produce legions Tim McVeighs and the like.
And I find it quant and kind of fun in a corny way- a final vestige of Norman Rockwell culture, as much as it ever really existed.
I do not care for the "under God" either. A quick story: Some Mormon relatives have "baptized" us all, without asking permission. I was at first preturbed, but then my liberal, agnostic father simply said, "If you do not believe it, why do you care?"
Good discussion. Have a good weekend Strel.
p.s. I have seen pre WWII photos of children saying it while doing Roman salutes. I think that may have been commonplace until the Nazis came along.
I am not unsymphathetic to what you are saying. I guess I comfort myself in that it does not produce legions Tim McVeighs and the like.
This is true, and why I don't have strong feelings about it really.
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And I find it quant and kind of fun in a corny way- a final vestige of Norman Rockwell culture, as much as it ever really existed.
EXACTLY!
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I do not care for the "under God" either. A quick story: Some Mormon relatives have "baptized" us all, without asking permission. I was at first preturbed, but then my liberal, agnostic father simply said, "If you do not believe it, why do you care?"
Well you never know. They could be right. Probably not.
When I went to school in the stone age everyone stood up for the pledge of allegiance. Now I hear that some children in the middle school simply sit and do nothing. (it was brought to my attention by a middle schooler because he wondered why some kids chose to sit and not stand and say it)
I'm not sure what my negative reaction is about yet but I do wonder how others think regarding the scenario. Am I being over-reactive when I bristle at hearing some kids are simply sitting at their desk doing nothing while the rest of the class is saying the pledge of allegiance?
Am I being closed minded? Do I need to get with the times? What am I not understanding?
Do all schools in the area still say the pledge of allegiance?
I'm attend high school in Texas and I can personally testify that we recite the pledge every single day along with the Texas pledge immediately afterwards. Some kids don't say it but everyone stands up. I feel it is disrespectful not to. I mean, alot of service men died for this country so that we could say the pledge with honor. So the teachers tell the students to stand in respect.
I'm attend high school in Texas and I can personally testify that we recite the pledge every single day along with the Texas pledge immediately afterwards. Some kids don't say it but everyone stands up. I feel it is disrespectful not to. I mean, alot of service men died for this country so that we could say the pledge with honor. So the teachers tell the students to stand in respect.
A lot of servicemen (and women) died fighting against totalitarian fascism and communism, systems in which people are forced, every day, to pledge allegiance or suffer the consequences.
I'm not sure you have a clear idea what these people really fought for.
I see no real issue with it personally. I can understand how those who feel perticularly patriotic might claim it is a slight... but in all honesty it is not.
We are given the right to choose, and the right to express ourselves... we can not force others to make a pledge simply because we say they should. When I was a kid I can honestly say most seemed to just go through the motions, if it is only an automated response with no intent or belief behind it... then there is no difference really if they do not do it at all.
Let those who wish to make such a pledge do so and show their intent and support.. and let those who do not for whatever reason sit, so long as those sitting do not prevent those standing from acting on their beliefs or vice versa I see no issue.
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