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Old 02-24-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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When you consider that the taxpayers are paying all of their pension and health insurance money, yes it is very exorbitant. I guess you scanned my link very fast since you don't mention the very low scores of 8th graders and seniors in Wisconsin. Go back and scan it again. Yes, I know that the man who wrote that thing is a conservative but you just can't argue those facts he exposed.
...and you'll get the government you pay for.
Crappy.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:46 PM
 
Location: North America
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Firing a bad teacher is like unscrambling an egg.

No, wait.

It's much easier to unscramble an egg.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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Fire all the teachers Problem solved
Indeed. That is what the failing district in my city has done. Fired all the teachers and rehired based on merit and a new contract!
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Fine, then hire idiots to teach your idiot children. Problem solved. Turn the country into a the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Idiots.
When less than 50% of Wisconsin students graduate it seems to me that these union people aren't doing much to keep that from happening.

Hey, I believe in tenure but do not think it should be set because some half-***ed teacher manages to keep his job for 3 or so years. He should get tenure because he earned it. The one thing I hate most about tenure is that someone has to determine who gets it and in a union run system I am pretty sure who would get it.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:48 PM
 
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What makes taxpayers special?
I think you have it backwards. What makes union personnel special in that they should receive a free retirement - while taxpayers have to save not only for our retirement, but also pay for someone else's?
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What makes taxpayers special?
Maybe the fact that they have to pay pension and health insurance for those people with the members paying nothing makes them special. Well, it does to me. I used to be one of those people and never would have accepted anything like they get for that very reason. In fact, the day the NEA declared that it was a union to fight the AFT I withdrew my membership and never paid them another penny.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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What makes taxpayers special?
The taxpayer is both the employer and the customer. That is exactly what makes them special!
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This is exorbitant for professionals with a master's degrees, years of experience and regular courses for certifications? Get ****ing real!
Ed degrees are a joke. Ask any other department at the universities. I've frequently heard Ed Depts referred to as "the crayon curriculum."

This type of thing helps to explain why...
Aspiring school teachers fail in math
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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...and you'll get the government you pay for.
Crappy.
God help us if we ever get the government we pay for.
Get rid of the public schools.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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We don't need no idiots to teach our children.

We've got teachers who don't know anything, who wouldn't know how to teach if they did.
Yep, those of us that did know something and knew how to teach took the easy out and quit.
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