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In a related subject, I was just thinking today that I doubt I would ever take another person's organ to make my life better (if I "needed" one). I think people should play the hands they were dealt. Think about it. Why should someone give someone else one of their ORGANS? It is so common now, that it seems ordinary, but it is really bizarre and unnatural.
The reason I was highlighting greed and geriatrics is because our society is too PC to really discuss what is going on - people are afraid to say that no, grandpa is dying, we should let him die in dignity. Instead they ship him off to the nursing home where he is pumped full of drugs and lives for 10-15 years, yet has no quality of life, what-so-ever. What is the damn point of living in a nursing home? Please tell me why that is considered a life.
Isn't it politically correct right now for government and corporations to rail against "legacy costs"?
Legacy costs = the elderly.
If you cannot be productive, you have no worth.
Now, since society has decided I am too old to live, please allow me the dignity of choosing euthanasia instead of slowly wasting away and suffering in some hospital bed.......IF THAT IS WHAT I ASK FOR.
I certainly hope everyone rushed off to ensure they are organ donors after expressing their outrage here. If there wasn't such a short-supply of organs, these decisions would not be so complicated.
I seriously hate this "death-panel" nonsense. Euthanasia has been an integral part of health care forever, as it should be. Making end of life decisions is just as much a part of medicine as any other discipline. There have been ethics committees associated with hospitals for decades, and that is one of their roles to decide who, what, why, when gets care. People cannot live forever, and there comes a point in time when the humane thing to do is to not continue to prolong life.
Interesting that even the NYT is pointing out that there are "death panels" in so many words; and, that the elimination of the elderly when it comes to elegibility for transplant procedures will soon be a given. Welcome to rationed healthcare Socialist style like they have in Great Britain.
This reads like Ezekiel Emmanuel's playbook for Obamacare.
I think we should institute a program in the government and in wall street for those at the top that can bet on the lives of those old fogies on when they will die. We can set up in such a way where when they die, they can collect money from the deceased upon their death, and their remains can be made to fertilize future gardens. Sounds like a win win situation
Actually I am joking...
Though I do have some Wall Street figures in mind, but it may not make good fertilizer.
Interesting that even the NYT is pointing out that there are "death panels" in so many words; and, that the elimination of the elderly when it comes to elegibility for transplant procedures will soon be a given. Welcome to rationed healthcare Socialist style like they have in Great Britain.
This reads like Ezekiel Emmanuel's playbook for Obamacare.
You said....."the elimination of the elderly when it comes to elgibility for transplant procedures will soon be given." NOT TRUE.
Read further in the article in the link and you'll see this:
The proposal is supported by many transplant surgeons and medical ethicists, but it faces an uncertain reception by kidney transplant patients and legislators. A previous proposal to better match the health of patients and donor kidneys was scrapped in 2005 after the network was flooded with negative comments.
Please do not speak of this woman who is giving up her life. I spent six months talking to my friend who was caring for her mother in home hospice. Her mother was dying of cancer. It's a very ugly thing to have to see. She spent every night pouring out her pain at me and another friend and were *always* there for her. Did she have to be there? No. She and her daughter could have gone home, but she would never had those precious last days with mom. I cried when she died too. I got to know her through my friend. My dad couldn't walk and got put in a nursing home, where he died. For me, he was very sick, then he was dead. There was a big hole inbetween which sharing my friend's moms passing and last months helped fill.
My dad had a type of dimentia where he didn't know who I was so I'm aware of there being different kinds. It would not have mattered if he had alshimers or this other form, it would have been just as devistating to me. To totally lose who you are is death in itself. There were no drugs to use, and if there had been the nursing home would have probably messed it up anyway. For him death (physical death) was a kindness. But if I could have been there for him instead of the half-care of a nursing home I would have.
A dear friend of mine passed away from a heart attack in her late fifties the night before Thanksgiving. She had been ill for a long time. She had been told that her kidneys were failing and we all knew her chances of a transplant were nil. But if she had been deemed not worth salvaging with all the care she recieved before I would have not known her and me and all her friends who loved her would never have been touched by her. I hope we don't pass into a society where only the healthy and fit get to make it and don't get hurt and disabled or old or its curtains time, since those who are not in their prime still have very much to give. Do not judge worth on physical states of being. You too could be one of "them" some day.
And yes, pharma is out of control. It is out of control in every market it sells. Don't claim its just geriatrics. It is greed leveled against any age group who money can be squeezed out of, they aren't particular.
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There is not profit in emotion according to some of the people on board here.
I'm an empath by nature and can feel the pain and sorrow by many here but also can feel the hatred and disgust by others.
On the one hand, I wish people could see how they treat others, and through my bitterness, wish some of these people could be treated with the same disgust that they treat others with
Perhaps that is what reincarnation and balance is for.
Though....that is probably beyond their compression...
The reason I was highlighting greed and geriatrics is because our society is too PC to really discuss what is going on - people are afraid to say that no, grandpa is dying, we should let him die in dignity. Instead they ship him off to the nursing home where he is pumped full of drugs and lives for 10-15 years, yet has no quality of life, what-so-ever. What is the damn point of living in a nursing home? Please tell me why that is considered a life.
Ever heard of a living will? Also, this is what one big fight was about with the healthcare bill..............provision for patients and family to consult with a physician about this very thing! that's where Sarah Palin got her "death panels" from............objecting to patients and families consulting with physicians about WHEN the medical care should stop.
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