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Couldn't get the link to work . . . I actually think people are living too long, prompted by medical intervention. There are people lying in hospital beds in rest homes for years, and years . . . some of these people have severe Alzheimers - they don't know anyone, are on feeding tubes, have to be turned, changed . . .
I think we are more humane to our animals. Most animal lovers know when the time is near and do not allow their loved animals to suffer. But grandma and grandpa have got to go on and on, forever.
And the really pitiful thing is that this is not an accident. People are making money off of this - doctors, rest homes, hospitals, medical facilities, x-ray labs, pharmacies, drug companies . . . it's not just that we are so "nice" that we want grandma and grandpa to live forever . . . it is because we have been brainwashed to think that quality of life has no meaning . . . that people should be lying in their own filth and that other, lessor people should be dealing with it (because that is the reality - people who are in the trenches make next to nothing).
And if grandma or grandpa live at home, some poor WOMAN'S life is ruined. Some WOMAN is deigned to take care of newborns, old people, the infirm . . . you name it. Her health be damned.
It is an American sickness to think life goes on forever. It doesn't and it shouldn't and if we were really humane we would ok euthanasia . . .there are ways to do it that reduce abuse (look at the state of Oregon). You have to have been given a death sentence by virtue of having an incurable disease . . . that has to be validated.
Why do you people insist on burdening society with old people who should have died?
Excellent post - I couldn't add a single thing and feel that there is really nothing more to be said on this subject.
We are kinder to our animals.
Interesting that even the NYT is pointing out that there are "death panels" in so many words; and, that the elimination of the elderly when it comes to elegibility for transplant procedures will soon be a given. Welcome to rationed healthcare Socialist style like they have in Great Britain.
This reads like Ezekiel Emmanuel's playbook for Obamacare.
But, but, but... I thought Obama said there were no death panels and that was just the silly talk of one sill woman from Alaska.......
Umm......I really don't see any problem with this. A person who has a whole life to live should have precedence for donated organs over someone who is old and will either 1. die soon anyway, or 2. be crippled or disabled in a few years. At age 65, someone should be able to accept death.
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But, but, but... I thought Obama said there were no death panels and that was just the silly talk of one sill woman from Alaska.......
As was just pointed out, this has nothing to do with "death panels". And you were quoting the fears of one woman who did not read the article.
It is kindof revealing how frightened the American health care system have made people of death panels. It is a problem of actually facing them, in insurance companies. It really shows in how it is always Americans who post about "Death Panels", while Europeans think of it as fear of witches -not a real fear in the modern world.
Umm......I really don't see any problem with this. A person who has a whole life to live should have precedence for donated organs over someone who is old and will either 1. die soon anyway, or 2. be crippled or disabled in a few years. At age 65, someone should be able to accept death.
Generally the decision is based on the health and likely survival of the patient. If you have a 65 year old who is otherwise in good health and will likely surviver the transplant and a 20 year old where this is the last ditch and they have a slim chance of living to 22 anyway?
And 65 should be the divide? My fil is in his 80's. Brilliant man. Still manages his investments, still fixes things for family and friends, has health problems but is still quite strong. His wife's mom is over 100 and only last year moved into a residental, nusing home combination since at 100 she has problems with falls. Still quite mentally acute and healthy. 65 was hardly a blip on the radar to either of them.
At some point we ALL reach the moment when health takes a dive. It could be at 30. It could be at 90, like my grandfather. You can't stick a number on individuals and claim its the moment they are "old". That is why decisions are always made on the basis of the individual and their history over a "standard".
And we should remember that someone 65 plus, with real life experience and knowledge is STILL a valuable person even if a lot of people would like to not think that way. Having the gift of perspective and a variety of life experience is something which needs to be passed on, not shucked into the old folks home.
I'm all for voluntary euthanasia. I have a progressive nuerological disease. When I get to the point that I'm a burden and my quality of life is poor, I should be able to ask a Dr. for help in terminating my life.
And if grandma or grandpa live at home, some poor WOMAN'S life is ruined. Some WOMAN is deigned to take care of newborns, old people, the infirm . . . you name it. Her health be damned.
Wait, I thought this was only going to happen with Obamacare?!!!
What, it's happening now? The horror.
How can that be, the free market is the best thing that ever happened.
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