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In most states, they're not required to join. When they are, it's because once a group of workers decides to form a bargaining unit that represents the employees, the union is legally responsible for representing every employee in the grievance and negotiations process, regardless of membership status, including racking up some hefty legal bills for them from time to time. If the union doesn't provide "fair representation" they face severe sanctions by the national labor relations board, plus you can sue their pants off. Because of that, some states require employees to pay dues, or partial dues. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that in those instances the employees have the option of either requesting that their dues only go for servicing and negotiations costs--they can either pay partial dues to cover those costs, or they can request that none of their dues go for things like get out the vote campaigns. Funding for candidates doesn't come from dues to begin with--it's from a separate collection.
I am going to have to challenge you on that statement. It wasn't that way when I was in a union.
I am going to have to challenge you on that statement. It wasn't that way when I was in a union.
Please provide something to back up your claim.
They are wrong. Dues are used for funding candidates. I'm in a public union and everything that poster states is why I hate it. dues are being extorted out the employees who don't want to be a member because the union is worthless. They are in bed with the politicians and the state government agencies and 99% of the time side WITH THEM and leave you hanging out to dry. I was demoted in title because someone lied on their resume and cheated on the civil service exam and they took my position. It was proven that they lied and cheated, but the union did nothing, nor did civil service or the state HR dept. I got screwed and the union told me, "oh well" that happens. Now I am working the very same position as before but not in the correct title and working for less money. Where's the union? Good question. The unions only care about dues, that's it.
Why did the politicians of the states NOT fund the pensions in a responsible manner?....
Because not funding the pensions let pols pay off unions for their support, and kick the can to the next generation of taxpayers.
If there was to be a special tax to fully fund public employee pension and benefits packages, it should be collected equally from every person in the state, and described as exactly what it is. A "public empolyees special benefits tax". Keep it open, transparant and let all taxpayers see what their politicians have gotten them into.
And you're blaming the union for that? You can't have it both ways. If they had to take concessions because of the economy, it was because of management--you can't get money if it's not there. That's what you guys want--right? For the employees to take concessions? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth--if they take the concessions to deal with economic realities, the union is bad, and if they don't take concessions, the union is bad. Again--You can't have it both ways.
You missed my point and that was collective bargaining is not all what is cracked up to be. You did hit reality when you said when profits are down or a budget is in deficit there has to be concessions.But people like my step father who has paid dues and really believed all the BS promises cry like a stuck pig and blame the greedy company or in this case those mean {R}s.
I agree with Walker that collective bargaining on wages only. We all know what will take place in the future is that the {D}s will run on restoring collective bargaining across the board and the deficit be damned.
They are wrong. Dues are used for funding candidates. I'm in a public union and everything that poster states is why I hate it. dues are being extorted out the employees who don't want to be a member because the union is worthless. They are in bed with the politicians and the state government agencies and 99% of the time side WITH THEM and leave you hanging out to dry. I was demoted in title because someone lied on their resume and cheated on the civil service exam and they took my position. It was proven that they lied and cheated, but the union did nothing, nor did civil service or the state HR dept. I got screwed and the union told me, "oh well" that happens. Now I am working the very same position as before but not in the correct title and working for less money. Where's the union? Good question. The unions only care about dues, that's it.
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that in those instances the employees have the option of either requesting that their dues only go for servicing and negotiations costs--they can either pay partial dues to cover those costs, or they can request that none of their dues go for things like get out the vote campaigns. Funding for candidates doesn't come from dues to begin with--it's from a separate collection.
Clinton: tax increase, left office with budget surplus, good economy
When Clinton left the economy was in or teetering on the brink of a recession.
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