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That doesn't surprise me. Cronies usually win. Similar trend was noticed in the 1930s Europe, no?
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin
What money manager would you recommend in the
federal government today
I think there is a connection between opinions on
Health Care e.g. universal health care and those
in public sector unions.
Since they barely pay for their insurance (I know some
pay up to 15 percent) they really don't have a clue what
it really costs. The popularity for universal health care could take a shift in it's favor if more public
sector folks had to carry their load - like the self
employed and many private sector already do.
The truth is that most people don't have a clue how much the health care insurance industry is hurting American economy. Since most get an employer sponsored insurance (at least for now, and with reduced coverage by the year), they don't have the clue either. Not limited to union workers, is it?
As for money manager, what did you think of my idea? Good one? Or, do you think tax payers have their money managers in the government?
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Originally Posted by SourD
That doesn't make them middle class. Also, I think your numbers are wrong. The average salary in the US is 50k per adult PERSON.
That would be median household income, not median personal income.
The true agenda? Do you mean their money laundering machine where union dues, originating from public sector unionized employees paid with taxpayer dollars, get used to prop up and fund Democrats? That true agenda?
It has been proven in right to work states that when employees have the choice whether or not to join a union that union membership drops dramatically. The drop in membership dues income means that unions can give less to the democrats and lose their strong-arming power.
The problem with the pro-union left, in this argument, is they cannot see a difference between public sector and private sector unions.
A private sector union tries to get the owner/employer, or the board of directors to increase pay and benefits, or give more time off, etc, by sacrificing some of the company's profits, while at the same time trying to be competitive and not harm their long term profitability.
Public sector unions do not ask politicians to cut into profits or risk competitiveness, because the money comes from the state's budget. Its not their money, so they have no skin in the game, and easily give into union demands. Plus, public sector unions reward politicians who give into their demands, with positive campaign ads, get out the vote drives, and attack ads against their political opponents.
The right's fascist takeover plan is blowing up in their faces nationwide. The pro-america forces are letting them have it all across the country. They can kiss any hope the right may have had for 2012 and many more years to come
You have it QUITE WRONG. It is the UNION THUGS that are getting their asses handed to them, along with their dim puppets peep.
I CANNOT wait for 2012 when the rest of those ass clowns are voted out of office (meaning the dims).
The unions are stepping up to the plate and willing to take pretty big paycuts, they are against the removal of their collective bargaining rights, essentially crushing them.
PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power...private unions sure..but not PUBLIC unions
the unions make it MADITORY to be a member of the union whether the worker want ot be or not
the union makes it maditory to pay dues, even if you dont want to be a union member..you want the job you will be union
that is union crime
there should not be anytype of barganing for PUBLIC unions...private unions sure..but not publc unions
becaue PUBLIC unions are not supposed to have barganing...period
National Labor Relations Act ("Wagner Act"),Congress enacted the landmark Act in 1935 - the Magna Carta of the American labor movement. It excluded federal, state and local employees. It created the National Labor Relations Board to enforce the rights of labor.
even FDR said so
"""Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives ...
"Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees. Upon employees in the federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people ... This obligation is paramount ... A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent ... to prevent or obstruct ... Government ... Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government ... is unthinkable and intolerable."""...FDR 1937
and you want to know WHY it is a problem to have 'collective barganing' in the PUBLIC SECTOR............The problem is there is no REAL "collective bargaining." ......Public sector unions are a client of a Democratic bureaucracy that wants their vote. The taxpayer - the "employer" - isn't a player in the bargaining process......
even look at your local school budget vote...it has NOTHING to due with the PAY/benefits of the teachers..you vote on 1/10th of the entire budget.....
this is why the liberals and the unions are protesting
“Without the mandatory dues from public employee unions, the democrat party is toast. Once this ball is rolling and taxpayers realize how the scam of public unions work, this wave will be unstoppable. Wi. dems better keep running.”
When was the last time there wasn't an excuse made against existence and purpose of unions?
Perhaps you should regroup and try to debate honestly? Because this isn't a very informed response. Kind of ignorant and exposing actually, lib.
I am from here on out calling out all my lib friends and telling them the truth. If they cannot handle the truth, they are history as far as my friendship is concerned.
The libs have finally gone too far, they are showing their true colors. They hate this country as it is and want to make it a socialist state; I will fight that with every fiber of my being.
You and your ilk are on the losing end of this battle, as you have always been throughout history.
Wrong narrative. Let's take a look at the reality of the situation...
Gallup reports that 71% of Americans don't want to pay more taxes.
How do the public employee unions reconcile that with their expectation to be able to demand more from the taxpayers?
And they also don't want to services that they rely upon stopped.
Surely you've seen people complain about taxes but when asked what should be cut... it's almost always something that benefits someone else. Don't touch what they get.
Wrong narrative. Let's take a look at the reality of the situation...
Gallup reports that 71% of Americans don't want to pay more taxes.
How do the public employee unions reconcile that with their expectation to be able to demand more from the taxpayers?
The left is too ignorant to absorb that facts. It is paying for these public union employees that keep driving up taxes for everyone.
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